Ovation Ferry from UK

[JT]

Hi All,

I've been quietly hanging in the background here sponging in all the great info on MS while putting together the right deal on a Mooney. It finally happened, a 2004 Ovation. It's the perfect Mooney for us and thanks to Steven L757 for his invaluable guidance and for connecting me with Brian Kendrick who did a meticulous pre buy and annual on the plane. So the plane is in the UK and I'm trying to sort the best way to get it back here. Insurance requires experience in North Atlantic crossing and 25 hrs make and model. I know some of you have multiple crossings. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

 

Jim

Edited March 25, 2019 by JT
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[ArtVandelay]

Go to YouTube and search for “transatlantic ovation”, there is a few videos out there, will give you a idea what to expect.


Tom

[MIm20c]

You might be able to talk one member into flying it over, increasing your fuel capacity, and adding a pee tube for one low price. 

[LANCECASPER]

Yes, @Piloto has made that trip quite a few times

[LANCECASPER]

1 hour ago, JT said:

Hi All,

I've been quietly hanging in the background here sponging in all the great info on MS while putting together the right deal on a Mooney. It finally happened, a 2004 Ovation. It's the perfect Mooney for us and thanks to Steven L757 for his invaluable guidance and for connecting me with Brian Kendrick who did a meticulous pre buy and annual on the plane. So the plane is in the UK and I'm trying to sort the best way to get it back here. Insurance requires experience in North Atlantic crossing and 25 hrs make and model. I know some of you have multiple crossings. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

 

Jim

Did Brian get a free trip to the UK out of that deal?

[JT]

Well, he got a trip. I wouldn't exactly call it free!

He spent a good bit of it laying on his back but not by the pool sipping pińa coladas.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, JT said:

Hi All,

I've been quietly hanging in the background here sponging in all the great info on MS while putting together the right deal on a Mooney. It finally happened, a 2004 Ovation. It's the perfect Mooney for us and thanks to Steven L757 for his invaluable guidance and for connecting me with Brian Kendrick who did a meticulous pre buy and annual on the plane. So the plane is in the UK and I'm trying to sort the best way to get it back here. Insurance requires experience in North Atlantic crossing and 25 hrs make and model. I know some of you have multiple crossings. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

 

Jim

Search Gilles Glatz on Linked in, he delivers several planes per month from Europe.  He’s delivered a few for clients of mine.

Clarence

[JT]

Thanks Clarence- I sent him an email. 

[carusoam]

See the posts from @flumag... His Mooney Crosses the pond between Europe and Boston...

 

StevenL is a great resource for the Mooney and the O!  And the 310hp Continental Engine!

 

Best regards,

-a-

[Flash]

It's a shame not to fly it across yourself. Coming back from Europe was the second-best trip I ever made in N315L. Going to Europe was the best.

I realize you'd need a lot of hours to feel comfortable taking such a trip, but . . .

[JT]

8 hours ago, carusoam said:

See the posts from @flumag... His Mooney Crosses the pond between Europe and Boston...

 

StevenL is a great resource for the Mooney and the O!  And the 310hp Continental Engine!

 

Best regards,

-a-

Thanks Anthony- we've been in touch.

[JT]

7 hours ago, Flash said:

It's a shame not to fly it across yourself. Coming back from Europe was the second-best trip I ever made in N315L. Going to Europe was the best.

I realize you'd need a lot of hours to feel comfortable taking such a trip, but . . .

Unfortunately, comfort is not a factor. Insurance requirements are though. 

[Marauder]

Guido Warnecke does cross Atlantic ferry trips. https://www.linkedin.com/in/guido-warnecke-8985ab17/

He flew an Ovation over a couple years ago. Maybe another option. This is one of the legs on his trans Atlantic flight in the Mooney Ovation.

 

[N131MA]

Here is a workaround for the insurance requirements:

1. Get your US insurance. This covers all North America including Canadian airspace.

2. Get a (short term) EU insurance. These have worldwide coverage excluding North America.

The combination of both covers the ferry flight. The EU insurance is affordable and has very high liability coverage  (I remember €5M?)

[Igor_U]

11 hours ago, Flash said:

It's a shame not to fly it across yourself. Coming back from Europe was the second-best trip I ever made in N315L. Going to Europe was the best.

I realize you'd need a lot of hours to feel comfortable taking such a trip, but . . .

I would be interested  to hear more... and I'm sure the others as well.

What are the insurance requirements for the trip, etc.

Thanks.

 

[ArtVandelay]

Here is a workaround for the insurance requirements:
1. Get your US insurance. This covers all North America including Canadian airspace.
2. Get a (short term) EU insurance. These have worldwide coverage excluding North America.
The combination of both covers the ferry flight. The EU insurance is affordable and has very high liability coverage  (I remember €5M?)

Do you get this EU insurance through a US based agency (AOPA?) or do you need to contact an EU insurance agent?


Tom

[N131MA]

2 hours ago, ArtVandelay said:

Do you get this EU insurance through a US based agency (AOPA?) or do you need to contact an EU insurance agent?


Tom

Hi Tom

EMPOA, the European Mooney Association offers a fleet rate for Mooney’s.

https://www.empoa.eu/index.php/en/empoa-flottenversicherung.html

Easy process. Happy to share contact details through PM.

Peter

[JT]

6 hours ago, N131MA said:

Hi Tom

EMPOA, the European Mooney Association offers a fleet rate for Mooney’s.

https://www.empoa.eu/index.php/en/empoa-flottenversicherung.html

Easy process. Happy to share contact details through PM.

Peter

Thanks for this Peter- EMOPA site says owner must be European resident. Am I missing something?

 

Jim

[N131MA]

Jim 

I believe I was insured through them with an US residence some years ago. I suggest to call and discuss your situation with the agent. When I talked to him he was competent and engaged to find a solution.

Peter

 

[Awful_Charlie]

Remember third party insurance is mandatory in the EU (and the UK!), so you must get something to cover at least the first part of your flight, and don't forget the Search & Rescue element too!

Heartily recommend the EMPOA insurer - they're who I am with, and they are very helpful on the phone and via e-mail

EU Insurance tends to be in SDR - Special Drawing Rights - which is a basket of currencies. If the aircraft is currently on the G-register, you can look up the minimum and recommended insurance level via G-INFO

[JT]

8 hours ago, N131MA said:

Jim 

I believe I was insured through them with an US residence some years ago. I suggest to call and discuss your situation with the agent. When I talked to him he was competent and engaged to find a solution.

Peter

 

Thanks Peter- I'm in touch with them.

Jim

[bradp]

Guido Wernecke is one of the most disciplined pilots I’ve seen.  If I could fly a trip like that with him I’d learn a whole lot about aviating. 

[Mooney_1982]

Hey Jim

I have seen your N278DB is now delivered!

Tell us more, who did you find for the Ferry?

Tom 

[JT]

Hi Tom,

I used a pilot named Hans Molbak, He's from Denmark, 20,000+ hrs with over 100 North Atlantic crossings, grew up in Greenland, currently flies Phenom lets for Net Jets in Europe, and is the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. The guys at Shipping and Airlines at Biggin Hill connected us.  There are many factors that delayed the flight, but it was mostly the weather over the northern route. If anyone ever needs a ferry pilot, I can share his contact if you PM me. 

Of course the plane is fabulous.

Jim