PTK Posted December 29, 2017 Report Posted December 29, 2017 This is the email I received from BK: Hello Peter,The KI 300 will be available in late January of 2018. You can place orders with BendixKing dealers now. Best wishes and Happy New Year.Steve 1 Quote
carusoam Posted December 29, 2017 Report Posted December 29, 2017 Peter, Did you order? Go Test Pilot/Owner/early adopter! Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
Steve W Posted December 29, 2017 Report Posted December 29, 2017 Holds up pinky finger... 1 meeelllion dollars. So, KI-300 for Attitude and G5 for HSI? 2 Quote
jamesm Posted December 30, 2017 Report Posted December 30, 2017 Does the KI 300 have flux gate or Magnetometer or some sort of magnetic sensing device for the heading ? or is it like the SAM backup indicator where the pull it from the ARINC 429 Bus. Just curious. James Quote
Steve W Posted December 30, 2017 Report Posted December 30, 2017 23 minutes ago, jamesm said: Does the KI 300 have flux gate or Magnetometer or some sort of magnetic sensing device for the heading ? or is it like the SAM backup indicator where the pull it from the ARINC 429 Bus. I've not seen any indication that the KI-300 has any sort of heading/course display(magnetic or GPS derived). Quote
PTK Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Posted December 30, 2017 The KI300 is designed to replace the KI25x AI. It is the only such instrument that provides attitude reference to King autopilots. In addition it's made by Sandia, the makers of the Quattro Plus. For airplanes without autopilots or even for those with rate-based autopilots, the Quatro Plus is arguably the best of the best in quality and value. I see it, thefore, as a brilliant move made by BK. They take the best electronic AI platform and have it provide autopilot reference to its own venerable and very capable autopilots. When Garmin, L3 and the rest are quick to sell us more than we need or want, and nothing of what we really need, i.e. autopilot support, BK gives us exactly what we need. Smart...very smart! Edit: I am strictly speaking about the digital King autopilots/FD such as my KFC150. Garmin tries to convince us to replace them for theirs. It makes “zero” sense imo to take out a digital ap only to turn around and put in another digital ap! When all we need is to remove the analog vacuum attitude, i.e. the weak link, and give the digital autopilot a digital AHRS for its attitude reference instead! It's a no brainer! 4 Quote
jamesm Posted December 30, 2017 Report Posted December 30, 2017 Playing devil's advocate.... wouldn't Garmin's and other makers digital Autopilots argument be what happens the electronic components reach end of life or BK or other autopilot manufactures decides we are no longer going to support this model of autopilot. It is problem for us when in today's electronics industry has very quick product cycle for electronic components which wasn't the case back in the 70's and 80's. So for today's electronics industry I would guess something like 18 months or so for a electronic components and then they are off to some other new and improved electronic components. Which of course doesn't help us when we pay $1000 and $10,000 for avionics hoping to get to 15 years life or more out of our avionics investment I would say if it is working it doesn't make sense to rip everything out to digital unless you have a cool $30K + lying around. just my my way if looking at it. Quote
LANCECASPER Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 I'm wondering if King's Autopilot adaptor, the KA-310 isn't maybe a version of Aspen's EA-100. Aspen finished up King's KSN770 and got it certified for them. Sandia who did the KI-300 for King is in Abuquerque, Aspen is in Albuquerque, who knows . . . That would be the ultimate irony for Peter : ) 3 Quote
MIm20c Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 Looks like the installed price for the ki300 w/adapter will be in the $6500 range. Include a g5 hsi w/29b and you will probably see $10k invested in the system. Still a fair bit cheaper than the aspen with EA100. 1 Quote
carqwik Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 Is the adapter required for the KI-300 to talk to a King KFC autopilot? 1 Quote
flyboy0681 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 The G5 attitude indicator looks so appealing for many reasons, so why can't it supply attitude information to the King autopilots? Quote
Steve W Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, flyboy0681 said: The G5 attitude indicator looks so appealing for many reasons, so why can't it supply attitude information to the King autopilots? As usual the answer is that they can if they choose to. But they probably looked at the market and decided the first step was the HSI/Heading bug stuff that they could cover a bunch of autopilots with. For many King autopilots to be legal they probably also need the flight director integration, so instead of releasing half a solution they either decided not to pursue it, or they are silently working on it and may someday release it. Obviously they have the capability as evidenced by the GAD43e, but it would be a hard sell if they just made that work with the G5 since it's a $5000 box. (At which point if it were available you're probably better off going with the GFC 500) 1 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 47 minutes ago, carqwik said: Is the adapter required for the KI-300 to talk to a King KFC autopilot? Yes Quote
Mark89114 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, LANCECASPER said: Yes Are you sure? If that is correct, the KI-300 is what $6K and KA-310 is another $1.7K, that seems like a lot for a simple AI replacement. The BK site isn't clear to me. Quote
LANCECASPER Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Mark89114 said: Are you sure? If that is correct, the KI-300 is what $6K and KA-310 is another $1.7K, that seems like a lot for a simple AI replacement. The BK site isn't clear to me. No the KI300 is $3489 and the adaptor is $1750. http://sarasotaavionics.com/avionics/ki300 Quote
Mark89114 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, LANCECASPER said: No the KI300 is $3489 and the adaptor is $1750. http://sarasotaavionics.com/avionics/ki300 When are they going to release that 2025? 1 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mark89114 said: When are they going to release that 2025? The Sarasota ad says February 2018 and they are taking orders. Quote
carusoam Posted January 9, 2018 Report Posted January 9, 2018 Since we’re talking imaginary electronics... How about the AP that goes with that? http://sarasotaavionics.com/avionics/kfc230-aerocruze Peter and I will both be ready by about 2025... Best regards, -a- 2 Quote
PTK Posted January 13, 2018 Author Report Posted January 13, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 7:20 PM, MIm20c said: Looks like the installed price for the ki300 w/adapter will be in the $6500 range. Include a g5 hsi w/29b and you will probably see $10k invested in the system. Still a fair bit cheaper than the aspen with EA100. I wonder if pairing up the KI300/KA310 with a 7” G500txi with AHRS and battery would still enable the removal of all backups. I’d think it does because they both have their own independent battery backups and are STC’d. And this setup can be with or without the GAD43E. With it would provide attitude reference to the autopilot from two independent sources taking redudancy to a higher level. Add a B&C standby alternator on the vacuum pump pad and you have an electric airplane with full redundancy. Also is there a way to bring air data to the G5? Hey Garmin... your G5 needs air data! You sure have enough empty glass area around that small HSI to display it on! 1 Quote
MIm20c Posted January 13, 2018 Report Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, PTK said: I wonder if pairing up the KI300/KA310 with a 7” G500txi with AHRS and battery would still enable the removal of all backups. I’d think it does because they both have their own independent battery backups and are STC’d. And this setup can be with or without the GAD43E. With it would provide attitude reference to the autopilot from two independent sources taking redudancy to a higher level. Add a B&C standby alternator on the vacuum pump pad and you have an electric airplane with full redundancy. Also is there a way to bring air data to the G5? Hey Garmin... your G5 needs air data! You sure have enough empty glass area around that small HSI to display it on! I’m almost sure you are correct about the ki300 being a certified sole backup unit. Personally I wouldn’t try to have both the gad43 and ki300 Interface with the AP. Too many calibrations are needed to get the units to work correctly. The other problem I see with the ki300 used as a backup is most BK AP’s it’s made to drive still need the encoding altimeter. That added to the secondary cdi means the only legacy gauge you are getting rid of is the ASI (the only gauge I actually like to have in analog format to see out of the corner of my eye). If I was going with the g500txi it would include the gad43e and L3 esi500 (with nav display)no question about it. That would be one clean panel. Quote
KSMooniac Posted February 19, 2018 Report Posted February 19, 2018 Sarasota now showing Q3 2018 Shocking! /says nobodySent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk 1 1 Quote
mike_elliott Posted February 19, 2018 Report Posted February 19, 2018 2 hours ago, preinke said: Sarasota now showing Q3 2018 Yawn..... 1 1 Quote
carqwik Posted February 20, 2018 Report Posted February 20, 2018 C'mon Garmin!! Get that G5 ok'd for FD/AI to work with King KFC-150!! 2 1 Quote
ShuRugal Posted February 20, 2018 Report Posted February 20, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 7:20 PM, MIm20c said: Looks like the installed price for the ki300 w/adapter will be in the $6500 range. Include a g5 hsi w/29b and you will probably see $10k invested in the system. Still a fair bit cheaper than the aspen with EA100. Came here looking for a cost. Avionics manufacturers sure have a funny notion of "affordable". Quote
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