MooneyBob Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Philip said: Turns out my time was very limited to do much more than get my plane back home from the avionics shop. It’s just a question minute flight. So I setup a very short 4 waypoint flight plan on the 430w and was off. my observations thus far: Brian dump - iPad - no particular order 1 - G5’s are wired to the master. I don’t know if this is by the book or not. Makes since that way once I thought about it. They are primary AI and DG and those devices that were just pulled were on when the radio master was off. 2 - every common annunciator, setting, etc will cross fill between units. 3 - the screens are very bright and clear. Backlight settings are easy to get too. I have not set behind the units in the dark yet. 4 - boot up is very fast. Shutdown on the ground gives you a delay countdown. In the air they just stay on. 5 - When running on the ground on the internal battery, I’m seeing it predict about 5 hours of battery life. 6 - preflight was very simple, altimeter set, heading bug set. 7 - the ASI was measuring the wind speed when I was sitting still. When I lined up on 17L it showed 22 knots before I started my takeoff roll. The steam gauge was oblivious. 8 - this is my first time to fly behind a PFD and 8 like it. 9 - my airspeed tape was configured to display knots and that threw me off when I started my approach and landing. I’m used to 100, 90, 80 mph in the pattern and that being in knots made we wonder if I want the tape in mph. The gs and tape can be configured independently. 10 - switching between gpss and hdg mode was easy enough. More actions then before. But not hard. 11 - while enroute I bounced back and forth between hdg and gpss modes and they worked as expected. 12 - I flew and RNAV approach with a procedure turn and the gpss steering worked as expected. It was very windy and it had no problem nailing the horizontal nav without much back and forth. 13 - while on the approach, I had my second 430w and gi106b tuned in to compare things. They were agreeing on horizontal and vertical navigation. However, I looked and looked for my VNAV indicator while between the iaf and fav and it was not to be found. My 106b showed the glide slope pegged up top while the g5 showed nothing. Once I got to the faf, I noticed the vnav scale show up on the PFD. I’m not sure if it ever was on the HSI. This is an area that I will study more today when I fly again. 14 - setting the hsi to a backup PFD is easy as pie. I don’t believe the PFD will become a hsi in the dual setup. Thats all for now. I plan to fly again today with a more deliberate test plan including an ILS approach. Similar experience here after my first real test flight today. Intercepting is very smooth. It looks like it takes its time but it is very smooth. Shot bunch of approaches and I am very happy with the performance of the combo G5 GAD Century IIB. My G5 airspeed differs from my ASI few knots. Not sure how they calibrate that or should I do it in the air and match it to the ASI in the setup? To your item 9 - The airspeed tape should match what is in your POH. If you have both KTS and MPH in you POH I would match it to your ASI obviously. It's not good to have to different speed units on the panel. It almost sounds illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted November 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 My ASI has miles on the outside and knots on the inner ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob - S50 Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Philip said: My ASI has miles on the outside and knots on the inner ring. If you can do either, I think you'll learn to like knots since (almost) all distances in aviation are in nautical miles. Makes the math easier if you use knots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyBob Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Bob - S50 said: If you can do either, I think you'll learn to like knots since (almost) all distances in aviation are in nautical miles. Makes the math easier if you use knots. My avionics guy insisted first to put MPH since my POH has only MPH numbers. But my ASI is in KTS so I really resisted the idea. Then somebody in the shop said that the G5 is not a primary ASI and it can be set up either way. So we did KTS. I don't even know MPH numbers for my plane. I do all in KTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR75 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 8 hours ago, MooneyBob said: My avionics guy insisted first to put MPH since my POH has only MPH numbers. But my ASI is in KTS so I really resisted the idea. Then somebody in the shop said that the G5 is not a primary ASI and it can be set up either way. So we did KTS. I don't even know MPH numbers for my plane. I do all in KTS. 8 hours ago, MooneyBob said: My avionics guy insisted first to put MPH since my POH has only MPH numbers. But my ASI is in KTS so I really resisted the idea. Then somebody in the shop said that the G5 is not a primary ASI and it can be set up either way. So we did KTS. I don't even know MPH numbers for my plane. I do all in KTS. Can you tell us where was the GMU 11 installed ? And where the GAD29B installed ? ( I suppose the GAD is in the avionics rack in the cone and the GMU in a wing) Pictures would awesome but don't open panels just for that ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted November 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 On 11/19/2017 at 7:26 AM, Philip said: 13 - while on the approach, I had my second 430w and gi106b tuned in to compare things. They were agreeing on horizontal and vertical navigation. However, I looked and looked for my VNAV indicator while between the iaf and faf and it was not to be found. My 106b showed the glide slope pegged up top while the g5 showed nothing. Once I got to the faf, I noticed the vnav scale show up on the PFD. I’m not sure if it ever was on the HSI. This is an area that I will study more today when I fly again. On my flight yesterday I shot and ILS and and RNAV and the glide slope was slower to capture than on the second radio but it was there in plenty of time and visible on both G5's. One thing that is definitely missing is a minimum setting. It has an altitude bug that can be set but it's in 100ft increments. That's not granular enough for setting an approach minimum. I'm sure they can add this in a future software release. I hope they will. Thus far, I'm impressed and very pleased with my purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Philip Posted November 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 13 hours ago, OR75 said: Can you tell us where was the GMU 11 installed ? And where the GAD29B installed ? ( I suppose the GAD is in the avionics rack in the cone and the GMU in a wing) Pictures would awesome but don't open panels just for that ) Both are in the avionics bay. GMU 11 is high mounted back between the static ports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR75 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 thanks. certainly makes the install a lot easier. I do have a couple of servos in the cone (trim and altitude hold) and wonder if that could cause magnetic disturbance Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted November 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 53 minutes ago, OR75 said: thanks. certainly makes the install a lot easier. I do have a couple of servos in the cone (trim and altitude hold) and wonder if that could cause magnetic disturbance Thanks again I have 1 s-tec alt-hold servo back there also. In my case, it was not an issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR75 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Philip said: I have 1 s-tec alt-hold servo back there also. In my case, it was not an issue. thanks. I have a 60-pss alt hold as well this will make the install a lot easier as the G5-GMU11-GAD29B needs to be "daisy chained" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradp Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Phillip can you post a pic of the mounting tray for the GMU11 - I’m going to need to fashion one and it would be good to see yours as an example. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesm Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Here is where I mounted my GMU11in my 67 'C there is no mounting tray for say. you are supposes to use non-Ferris fasteners i.e. stainless for mounting. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIm20c Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 On 11/20/2017 at 9:03 AM, Philip said: Looks like your ram clamp is very close to the G5 knob. Might want to check it at full deflection to make sure the knob does not cause interference. I had to use a lot smaller clamp to provide clearance for my Aspen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 15 hours ago, bradp said: Phillip can you post a pic of the mounting tray for the GMU11 - I’m going to need to fashion one and it would be good to see yours as an example. Thanks. Yes. Should be able to get a picture in the next few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyBob Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 13 hours ago, MIm20c said: Looks like your ram clamp is very close to the G5 knob. Might want to check it at full deflection to make sure the knob does not cause interference. I had to use a lot smaller clamp to provide clearance for my Aspen. What’s the G speed 87 kts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldguy Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 hours ago, MooneyBob said: What’s the G speed 87 kts? Glide, most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carqwik Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Did I miss something...? Is the G5 now capable of driving the autopilot as an Attitude Indicator? For some reason, I thought the G5 could be installed as an HSI but not as a sole AI (thus requiring the vacuum system and the KI256 to remain in the plane)? Did something change? I have the KFC150 A/P with the altitude preselect/hold... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyBob Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 45 minutes ago, carqwik said: Did I miss something...? Is the G5 now capable of driving the autopilot as an Attitude Indicator? For some reason, I thought the G5 could be installed as an HSI but not as a sole AI (thus requiring the vacuum system and the KI256 to remain in the plane)? Did something change? I have the KFC150 A/P with the altitude preselect/hold... G5 can’t drive the AP that requires input from AI. That’s why I had to keep my vacuum system and vacuum driven AI. I have Century IIB AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyBob Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 One thing that I gained and it is big deal for me is the GPSS steering. Before I had to turn the HSI needle every time my GTN told me to do so. Now it’s hands off. I tried different approaches, holding patterns, procedure turns and it just works perfect. It figures out on its own the entry to the holding pattern and makes all,the turns very smoothly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 4 hours ago, carqwik said: Did I miss something...? Is the G5 now capable of driving the autopilot as an Attitude Indicator? For some reason, I thought the G5 could be installed as an HSI but not as a sole AI (thus requiring the vacuum system and the KI256 to remain in the plane)? Did something change? I have the KFC150 A/P with the altitude preselect/hold... I have the same question - and I have a KFC200. Was there some announcement that this can drive my autopilot system now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIm20c Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, aviatoreb said: I have the same question - and I have a KFC200. Was there some announcement that this can drive my autopilot system now? The G5 with GAD29b can output heading information to your AP. However, you still need attitude information from the current AI for the AP to function. Per the STC if you have a FD it cannot be moved but many shops are not reading the fine print so I’m sure you will find someone willing to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browncbr1 Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Dropped of my plane yesterday at Rendrag Aviation and it goes under the knife Monday. Really excited! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browncbr1 Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 One thing that is still unclear to me is how the GPSS mode drives the autopilot. Does it modify the heading bug signal or the nav signal? I forgot to ask my avionics guy.. maybe someone here knows. If the gpss utilizes the accuflite, then I may as well remove my accutrak and sell it. I have no use for tracking a VOR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, Browncbr1 said: One thing that is still unclear to me is how the GPSS mode drives the autopilot. Does it modify the heading bug signal or the nav signal? I forgot to ask my avionics guy.. maybe someone here knows. If the gpss utilizes the accuflite, then I may as well remove my accutrak and sell it. I have no use for tracking a VOR. It modifies the heading error signal from the DG. You put the radio coupler in heading mode so it doesn't use the nav error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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