New Garmin GTX transponder brings ADS-B to G1000

[jclemens]

Garmin just announced their new GTX335/345 series transponders.  They are ADS-B out and dual band in with built in bluetooth.  They can either accept a WAAS signal from existing equipment, or provide it's own.  The will get you non-WAAS G1000 guys into ADS-B in/out for cheap!

[Jeff_S]

This I gotta' see.

[kpaul]

So, after a quick read, the GTX345 seems to combine the GTX330ES/GDL88/Flight Stream into one unit for 5 AMU. 

[jclemens]

Pretty much.  Think these will sell?  

[Jerry 5TJ]

The GTX345 is not just a G1000 system unit.  Garmin's press release picture shows an  airplane with a G500 panel (although the release says G500 software will be ready in Q2 2016) and also says it supports the GNS530, GTN750 and the MX20/200 displays.   There is a remote version if you wish to control it via the GTN750 or G1000.  And it will talk to a tablet running Garmin Pilot or ForeFlight.  

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160209005344/en/Garmin®-Unveils-Generation-All-in-One-ADS-B-Transponders   

[Marauder]

23 minutes ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

The GTX345 is not just a G1000 system unit.  Garmin's press release picture shows an  airplane with a G500 panel (although the release says G500 software will be ready in Q2 2016) and also says it supports the GNS530, GTN750 and the MX20/200 displays.   There is a remote version if you wish to control it via the GTN750 or G1000.  And it will talk to a tablet running Garmin Pilot or ForeFlight.  

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160209005344/en/Garmin®-Unveils-Generation-All-in-One-ADS-B-Transponders   

Jerry -- I think this is their Capstone product. The one they are promising for later this year. It should be compatible with the Aspen products as well. The MX series of displays are supposed to be Capstone as well. Do you know if the G1000 is as well?

[LANCECASPER]

But what software upgrades will Mooney/Garmin have to make to the G1000's to make this compatible? The GDL88 was said to provide this to the G1000 but it never was available for the G1000 Mooneys due to Mooney and Garmin not working out software issues.

[Marauder]

57 minutes ago, jclemens said:

Pretty much.  Think these will sell?  

Yeah, don't you?  The big question, Is this the Capstone compatible unit they have been talking about? Or is it still planned for the GDL-88?

BTW -- the FAA wants to know why a number of us are on the fence about upgrading. Here is your reason. It's like Tom Hanks in Castaway. "You never know what the tide (insert avionics manufacturers) will bring in today"

[tls pilot]

Still a high suggested list price, 

The GTX 345 transponder provides ADS-B In/Out capabilities and is available with and without WAAS for a list price of $5,795* and $4,995* respectively. The GTX 335 ADS-B Out transponder is available with WAAS for $3,795* and without WAAS for $2,995*.

plus the install...

[Marauder]

6 minutes ago, tls pilot said:

Still a high suggested list price, 

The GTX 345 transponder provides ADS-B In/Out capabilities and is available with and without WAAS for a list price of $5,795* and $4,995* respectively. The GTX 335 ADS-B Out transponder is available with WAAS for $3,795* and without WAAS for $2,995*.

plus the install...

I thought that as well until I realized that it is a packaged deal. The FlightStream 200 is $1,000, the GDL-88 portion is $5,143 (with WAAS) and a GTX-330 ES is $3,995 would total $10,138 at list. What I am not happy about is paying for a squitter when I don't need one.

[jclemens]

People flying around in glass panel aircraft aren't usually concerned with "only meeting the mandate".  There are a lot of benefits to be realized from full ADS-B capability.

[Jeff_S]

What I want to know is if this unit is available as an LRU for the G1000 system, or if it has to be mounted remotely in its panel-mount incarnation.  In other words, can it be a slide-in replacement for the GTX33S that I have? 

[KSMooniac]

There is a very long thread going on beechtalk about their new boxes.  From what I gather, there are remote versions of each one for the G1000 planes, but I don't believe they are rack/tray compatible.  At least the panel mount versions will require a new installation compared to an existing 330ES or similar box.  (I have a 330ES and these are not attractive for me.)  I'm assuming the remote versions won't be compatible either.

So, it looks like these new boxes will satisfy ADS-B out for G1000 systems, but the question remains on software upgrades to realize the benefits of ADS-B IN on a G1000 Mooney.  These boxes won't deliver WAAS nav/approach capability to a GX Mooney either.  I'm pretty sure there will still need to be significant Mooney/Garmin software updates to get everyone happy.

[jclemens]

There is a LRU for the G1000. 

[Deb]

We spoke with Garmin, and can offer some limited information. All this information is from the field engineering support group (some information comes from Trek Lawler). We only asked about the G1000 version which is the GTX 345R.

Apparently, similar to the GDL 84 and GDL 88, the unit will be STC'd for the G1000 Ovations. That means it will not require Mooney's blessing except for software. So it's not like getting WAAS with an STEC. With regards to software, it will work with the version of the Mooney G1000 software currently shipping (401.34, GDU v14.02), but not the version in the pre 2014 Moneys (401.30, GDU v9.03). Note that the Mooneys now being delivered with the GTX 33ES transponder are not yet ADS-B out certified, according to Trek. We've asked him if this will require a software revision from Garmin or whether this is just a Mooney/FAA issue.

Apparently the form factor is different and it will need a new bracket. No one had the dimensions of the new unit; we asked Trek to provide them if he could.

The unit will display TIS traffic and FIS weather on a tablet with Garmin Pilot or ForeFlight via Bluetooth (Garmin Connext); it does not have FlightStream and will not transfer flight plans. It will display traffic and weather on the G1000. Traffic can coexist with an active traffic system (TAS); they're not entirely sure hiw this will work with XM; presumably there will be the option to choose on the weather page of the MFD, but they were not sure.

It does not appear as if there will be any trade-in credit for the GTX 33.

Garmin's "TargetTrend" technology (for traffic display) will require a newer version of the software (GDU v15).

[LANCECASPER]

Mooney G1000.pdf

[Marauder]

That didn't take long: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/garmin_gtx345.php

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[Marauder]

We spoke with Garmin, and can offer some limited information. All this information is from the field engineering support group (some information comes from Trek Lawler). We only asked about the G1000 version which is the GTX 345R.

Apparently, similar to the GDL 84 and GDL 88, the unit will be STC'd for the G1000 Ovations. That means it will not require Mooney's blessing except for software. So it's not like getting WAAS with an STEC. With regards to software, it will work with the version of the Mooney G1000 software currently shipping (401.34, GDU v14.02), but not the version in the pre 2014 Moneys (401.30, GDU v9.03). Note that the Mooneys now being delivered with the GTX 33ES transponder are not yet ADS-B out certified, according to Trek. We've asked him if this will require a software revision from Garmin or whether this is just a Mooney/FAA issue.

Apparently the form factor is different and it will need a new bracket. No one had the dimensions of the new unit; we asked Trek to provide them if he could.

The unit will display TIS traffic and FIS weather on a tablet with Garmin Pilot or ForeFlight via Bluetooth (Garmin Connext); it does not have FlightStream and will not transfer flight plans. It will display traffic and weather on the G1000. Traffic can coexist with an active traffic system (TAS); they're not entirely sure hiw this will work with XM; presumably there will be the option to choose on the weather page of the MFD, but they were not sure.

It does not appear as if there will be any trade-in credit for the GTX 33.

Garmin's "TargetTrend" technology (for traffic display) will require a newer version of the software (GDU v15).

Did you talk about the Capstone products? It looks like it will work the current glass (G500) and will work with the MX series. Any word on other vendor hardware?

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[Deb]

Chris,

We did not specifically ask about Capstone. There is a lengthy thread on Beechtalk which Trek started here: http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=119062. 

This is from Trek on Beechtalk:

Jo Snipes wrote:

I thought there is no software for the G500

Hello Jo, you're correct the GDU 620 software will need to be updated which is planned on the next release for summer time this year. There's a lot of reasons the WX 500 took so long which I won't get into, but the G500/600 update is a priority and will be addressed quickly.

And:

Richard Stigall wrote:

Trek,

Any chance a 345 will display weather and traffic on an Aspen?

Hello Richard,
there are plans to release the 429 data formats for use by other third party displays. it will be up to them to release software to enable this feature.

[Marauder]

Chris,

We did not specifically ask about Capstone. There is a lengthy thread on Beechtalk which Trek started here: http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=119062. 

This is from Trek on Beechtalk:

Jo Snipes wrote:

I thought there is no software for the G500

Hello Jo, you're correct the GDU 620 software will need to be updated which is planned on the next release for summer time this year. There's a lot of reasons the WX 500 took so long which I won't get into, but the G500/600 update is a priority and will be addressed quickly.

And:

Richard Stigall wrote:

Trek,

Any chance a 345 will display weather and traffic on an Aspen?

Hello Richard,
there are plans to release the 429 data formats for use by other third party displays. it will be up to them to release software to enable this feature.

Thanks. Exactly what I am looking for. I expect that Aspen will charge an unload code for the PFD but if they stay true to their word, it should display on the MFD.

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[TrekLawler]

Hello everyone,

   apologies for not touching bases yesterday on this announcment. for some reason had problems with my login on the Mooney page.

 

please let me know if there are any questions I can assist with. but:

 

this has nothing to do with a capstone unit that has been discussed.

it is a unit that will interface with the G1000 systems and does not need any OEM approval. this is strictly handled through a Garmin STC and will replace the GTX 33. this will require a different rack, backplate and connector. since this is not configured through the G1000 system a computer dongle will need to be wired into it for configuration. it will provide the operator with an ADSB solution as well FIS B weather displays.

[carusoam]

Trek, you made it!

I was just composing a PM to see if you were around.  

Thanks for being here to support the MS community.

Best regards,

-a-

[Marauder]

Hello everyone,

   apologies for not touching bases yesterday on this announcment. for some reason had problems with my login on the Mooney page.

 

please let me know if there are any questions I can assist with. but:

 

this has nothing to do with a capstone unit that has been discussed.

it is a unit that will interface with the G1000 systems and does not need any OEM approval. this is strictly handled through a Garmin STC and will replace the GTX 33. this will require a different rack, backplate and connector. since this is not configured through the G1000 system a computer dongle will need to be wired into it for configuration. it will provide the operator with an ADSB solution as well FIS B weather displays.

Trek,

Thanks for opening up the dialog on your new products. Like many mixed marriages (owner of a GTN and an Aspen product), I'm interested in cross compatibility of any solution I buy.

As an example, my WX-500 is compatible and displays both on my GTN and Aspen MFD. Do you plan on releasing a product that will work specifically with the Aspen displays? I'm interested in an ADSB solution that will display on my GTN, my Aspen MFD and has the ability to use the FlightStream to interface with my Garmin Pilot. What do you have available now or in the pipeline?

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[TrekLawler]

55 minutes ago, Marauder said:

Trek,

Thanks for opening up the dialog on your new products. Like many mixed marriages (owner of a GTN and an Aspen product), I'm interested in cross compatibility of any solution I buy.

As an example, my WX-500 is compatible and displays both on my GTN and Aspen MFD. Do you plan on releasing a product that will work specifically with the Aspen displays? I'm interested in an ADSB solution that will display on my GTN, my Aspen MFD and has the ability to use the FlightStream to interface with my Garmin Pilot. What do you have available now or in the pipeline?

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Hello,

   the new GTX 3X5 does have the functionality to display on thrid part displays, this will be on a 429 output. This will be up to the display manufacturer to alter or release their software to display this data, we will not be adding it as approval under our STC. but the data will be there for you to get with Aspen in this case to move forward.

[Marauder]

55 minutes ago, Marauder said: Trek,

Thanks for opening up the dialog on your new products. Like many mixed marriages (owner of a GTN and an Aspen product), I'm interested in cross compatibility of any solution I buy.

As an example, my WX-500 is compatible and displays both on my GTN and Aspen MFD. Do you plan on releasing a product that will work specifically with the Aspen displays? I'm interested in an ADSB solution that will display on my GTN, my Aspen MFD and has the ability to use the FlightStream to interface with my Garmin Pilot. What do you have available now or in the pipeline?

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Hello,

   the new GTX 3X5 does have the functionality to display on thrid part displays, this will be on a 429 output. This will be up to the display manufacturer to alter or release their software to display this data, we will not be adding it as approval under our STC. but the data will be there for you to get with Aspen in this case to move forward.

Thanks for the reply Trek! That is what I am looking for. There are other products that will work with the Aspen for the "in" but I am interested in fully utilizing my GTN for this mandate.

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