MyNameIsNobody Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Any issues with putting a 1963 C Flap on a 1966 E Model? Quote
MyNameIsNobody Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) 42 views and zero guesses? Cowards Edited January 1, 2016 by MyNameIsNobody Quote
Andy95W Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 I'm happy to take a guess. I'm 90% sure they are interchangeable. The 10% uncertainty is the mounting hardware. Quote
cliffy Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Check the parts manual to see if they both have the same part number before you do. If same part number no problem just include the N number that the replacement one came off of in the logbook writeup. Quote
MyNameIsNobody Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Posted January 1, 2016 Anybody got that 10% covered? Different Mounting Hardware or same? Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Back in '84 I ran my car into my plane(don't ask). I ordered a flap from Mooney and then my insurance company said they would just reskin the flap. I called the factory and asked to cancel he order. They did. When the shop ordered the flap skin, they sent the whole flap they built when I ordered it the first time and only charged me for the skin. I think it cost me $300 for a new flap. I wonder what it would be today? 1 Quote
bonal Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 I'm no coward I just don't know the answer because I didn't study for the pop quiz. 2 Quote
MyNameIsNobody Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Posted January 1, 2016 Funny Bonai. Does that N# Mean NOT Bonanza? 1 Quote
bonal Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, MyNameIsNobody said: Funny Bonai. Does that N# Mean NOT Bonanza? Means none of their business, but I like your take so now has double meaning 1 Quote
Sabremech Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 16 hours ago, cliffy said: Check the parts manual to see if they both have the same part number before you do. If same part number no problem just include the N number that the replacement one came off of in the logbook writeup. Hi Cliff, Not to be overly particular, but why would you include the n number the replacement part came off of if it's the same part number in the IPC in the logbook sign off? Thanks, David Quote
cliffy Posted January 1, 2016 Report Posted January 1, 2016 Because there is an FAR requirement to verify that the part being installed is legal to install. The A&P has to have some basis for legality and traceability back to another airplane that it was installed on or an 8130 or some other document. It is contained in an FAR somewhere that specifically says to record the N number that the part came off of, but right now I can't look it up. It's no different than cannibalizing parts from one airplane to another. I'll look up the specific reference later and get back on here. Quote
jetdriven Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 There is no requirement to log which airplane it came from IIRC, but the part must be determined to be airworthy and conform to its design to install on a certificated aircraft. Comparing to the removed one should help. 2 Quote
cliffy Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 In AC 20-62E Subject: Eligibility, Quality, and Identification of Aeronautical Replacement Parts ( I show the relevant sections) In Section 8, Information Relevant To Used Parts: c.Unusual Circumstances. If a particular part was obtained from any of the following, then it should be so identified by some type of documentation (i.e., maintenance record entries, removal entries, overhaul records). (3) Salvaged aircraft or aircraft components. d. Seller’s Designation. The seller may be able to provide documentation that shows traceability to an FAA-approved manufacturing procedure for one of the following: (7) Parts with removal records showing traceability to a U.S.-certificated aircraft, signed by an appropriately certificated person. The part number alone does not suffice to prove eligibility for installation. Traceability does. Quote
Sabremech Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 Hi Cliff, Thanks for your reference. Since it's an Advisory Circular, it's only a document offering guidance but is not regulatory in nature in regards to returning a part to service. A key example of the guidance is in the reference statement, d. Sellers Designation. The seller MAY be able to provide documentation not the seller WILL provide documentation. Traceability is nice to have, but in regards to the flap in this topic not required. Thanks, David 2 Quote
cliffy Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 Agreed that it is an AC BUT it deals directly with approved/unapproved parts eligibility. the word "MAY" in this context should be viewed as one of several ways to document eligibility.(where it was manufactured) If we go back to "c" then we read that salvaged components SHOULD be identified by "removal records" as one of the options for eligibility. I have read a more demanding reference to the recording of the a/c N number that parts come off of but right now, as I had a tooth pulled 4 hrs ago I'm in no mood to search for it . :-) Frankly my jaw hurts like hell right now! Quote
MyNameIsNobody Posted January 2, 2016 Author Report Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Sorry to hear about your tooth Cliff. I had two dry sockets following removal of 4 wisdom teeth as a 30 something year old. Perfect attendance through college and in 30 years of working was almost taken down by that. Couldn't hang after lunch. Poultice applied by dentist. Went from non-functioning to symptom free in about a second. When second one blew I was at dentist lickedy-split. Hope your recovery is quick... Anybody have an update on Flap Hangers from '63 C to 66 M20E? Any changes? Issues?... Edited January 2, 2016 by MyNameIsNobody Quote
carusoam Posted January 2, 2016 Report Posted January 2, 2016 Traceability with a previous N number may imply that the entire history of logs of the donor machine are maintained somewhere... This works with FDA related machinery. Where the logs and machines are all owned by and supporting one business. Going back to reference the part through a tail number after it has passed through a few owners would be extremely challenging... Best regards, -a- Quote
Cabo Lee Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 On 1/1/2016 at 6:10 PM, MyNameIsNobody said: Any issues with putting a 1963 C Flap on a 1966 E Model? Yes, the 1963 flap is curved at the end and the 1966 flap is a straight edge flap. Your PC will not work well or not at all, the 1963 flap will be much harder to turn ( due to the curve edge). To have a PC, you must have a straight edge flap. Cabo Lee 1966 M20E, owner Quote
kpaul Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 14 minutes ago, Cabo Lee said: Your PC will not work well or not at all, the 1963 flap will be much harder to turn ( due to the curve edge). To have a PC, you must have a straight edge flap. Are you talking flaps or ailerons? Quote
Hank Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) On January 2, 2016 at 8:01 PM, MyNameIsNobody said: Anybody have an update on Flap Hangers from '63 C to 66 M20E? Any changes? Issues?... Teeth aside, in 65 or 66 the wing structure supporting the flaps was changed, raising Vfe to 125 mph. What this did to the flap side of the attachment, I don't know, never having seen either version separate from the airframe. P.S.--my rudder and elevator were punched, but ailerons and flaps are smooth, o that shouldn't effect your desired transplant. Edited February 3, 2016 by Hank Quote
Guest Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) While it may not be required, I can't imagine that it would cost a lot more to add a line to the log entry saying "installed used right wing flap p/n.......from Monney M20E s/n......" Clarence Edited February 3, 2016 by M20Doc Quote
MyNameIsNobody Posted February 3, 2016 Author Report Posted February 3, 2016 We are talking FLAPS here guys. Hank my White on ASI limit is 100 on my '66. No change there...? I think structure VFE was later... Quote
Hank Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 I don't remember just when the wing structure changed, but it was before 68. Quote
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