OP ED-"Little Timmy Wants to Know Why Nobody Likes Airplanes Anymore?

[flyboy0681]

I'll ask my 84 year old mommy what she pays for supplemenal insurance to medicaire. NOT 12 GRAND PER ANNUM...

 

wasn't aware I said Medigap coverage accounted for the entire $240k. If you would read the article you would learn that the amount is based on deductibles, copays and all other out of pocket expenses. Down here the average Medigap policy is about $400 a month.

 

If you mother is sharp with numbers, ask her to estimate how much she paid out of pocket for the past 19 years. It may surprise you.

[John Pleisse]

 Are you just being a prick on purpose?

 

Yes I am...self stimulation. Idle hands are the devil's tools. Hard labor. I cracked my knuckles for years and not in jail. Felonies....well, I would incriminate myself publicly and I wouldn't do that. But I confessed most of them.

[Guest]

We are known for being helpful and polite -- so naturally when our friends are confused about how things work up here, it's only proper to do our part to help them out.

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Larry,

I could not have have said it better. It's like pointing out to our southern neighbours that we don't live in igloos..... Certainly not the two story ones, the heat on the second floor melts them.

Clarence

[BorealOne]

Helpful and polite? Naw. Smug? Yup. 

 

Naw. If I wanted to be smug, I'd post some links to "Talking to Americans". Oh heck, it's Friday, so here goes. Apologies in advance.

 

[John Pleisse]

Oh looky.....2.6% GDP....God, it felt like at least 5% to me.

[John Pleisse]

Clarence and Bo....what the heck is going on up there?????

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/13-5m-winning-lottery-ticket-bought-7-seconds-late-invalid-top-court-decides-1.2936338

[flyboy0681]

We all knew this one was going to eventually come. I was just watching a segment on NBC Nightly News and they had a story about municipalities across America closing public sledding areas. The reason, you guessed it. Too many litigation losses. Seems whenever a person hits something and gets hurt, it's always the fault of the city or town.

[AndyFromCB]

Decisions, decisions...who will my write-in candidate be instead of voting for Jeb Bush....That is going to be a tough one.

I would sooner shove a blade from my prop up my arse as vote for him.

Billary here we come...

 

Hillary might just make a greatest conservative president we've had in a long, long time. Probably the best one we had since Clinton. When was the last time we had a conservative in the white house? Taft?

[BorealOne]

Clarence and Bo....what the heck is going on up there?????

 

It's madness, I tell you! Not only is great injustice being done to unlucky lotto players, but people are sledding indiscriminately where wolves are running wild!

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rabid-wolf-chases-2-labrador-families-on-snowmobile-trip-1.2937462

[flyboy0681]

 When was the last time we had a conservative in the white house? Taft?

 

 

At least Taft and Christie have one thing in common.

[John Pleisse]

It's madness, I tell you! Not only is great injustice being done to unlucky lotto players, but people are sledding indiscriminately where wolves are running wild!

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rabid-wolf-chases-2-labrador-families-on-snowmobile-trip-1.2937462

 

 

The Supreme Court should have found a way to throw the poor guy a bone...

[jkhirsch]

The Supreme Court should have found a way to throw the poor guy a bone...

They did! I heard they politely reminded him of how much money he was going to save on his health insurance and said, really being born in Canada you've already hit the lottery.

[rob]

I'll ask my 84 year old mommy what she pays for supplemenal insurance to medicaire. NOT 12 GRAND PER ANNUM...

 

 

Aaah, the infamous N of 1 example! That'll work!

[jetdriven]

Larry,

I could not have have said it better. It's like pointing out to our southern neighbours that we don't live in igloos..... Certainly not the two story ones, the heat on the second floor melts them.

Clarence

Clarence, you need to understand that Canadian healthcare sucks and I don't want to hear your opinion on anything.

Guns, Jesus, Babies, America !

[DS1980]

I like kittens

[BorealOne]

A brief read from Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/kathleen-oagrady/canada-health-care_b_5825582.html

Five Things Most People Get Wrong About Canada's Health Care System

:

Thanks Dave for posting that--since Scott doesn't want to hear from Canadians, he might listen since it came from you!

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[John Pleisse]

Clarence, you need to understand that Canadian healthcare sucks and I don't want to hear your opinion on anything.

Guns, Jesus, Babies, America !

 

No, you have it wrong. War, Country music and tax cuts.

[Guest]

Dave,

Byron would be welcome to move to Canada. However he may not like it, at the moment we have a Conservative government.

Although if he hurries he may be able to vote this fall and choose our next government between the current Conservative party, the Liberal party, or the New Democractic Party.

Byron, print out and bring this thread along and use it as proof that you are being persecuted in your homeland and therefore are a refugee, you'll move the the front of the line.

Clarence

[John Pleisse]

Canada's system is fast developing the same issues we have here in the states. It's a 1960's model that is a glaring example of there still being "only 52 cards in the deck". Germany is a great two tiered partnership of public and private institutions, but even they are seeing the bank break and are considering the idea of moving to non-profits. In America, political operatives asserted nearly 40 million people were uninsured. Extrapolating the young and healthy, chronically ill and 30 million illegal immigrants, we arrive at medium single digit percentages of Americans who were uninsured. In world rankings, Canada's outcomes are better than the US, but not by overwhelming percentages. Japan seems to be the model. I am open to learning more about it. Here's Huff..a fair read and even so, liberally slanted:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/natasha-macdonalddupuis/the-future-of-canadian-healthcare_b_4429892.html

 

Then there's this, which does a lot of bellyaching and shows statistics, but doesn't really enumerate true failures:

 

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/cashc/research/2012/inconvenient_truths.aspx

 

The problem here in the states is we had a pretty good system....it worked for 92% of us. We have forsaken it for a liberal wet dream, hastily authored, divisively enacted, citizen exclusionary, legislative failure that is poor in design and won't solve our problems short or long term. It was modeled after a test cell, Massachusetts, a very non-representative example of how most Americans live. Americans aren't ignorant, quite the contrary. They were the victim of a political power grab that provided no debate, few solutions and in the end, will be the law's unravelling. We have been more methodical with our space program, but not with people's lives. Our ACA is a mere attempt to copy european social democracy health systems, that in the end, are dated 1960's models and do not deal with the single common denominator all systems face. Rising costs.

 

Obama deserves credit, only where it is due (a believe me, he will be credited for it endlessly to the disdain of more than 60% of Americans). He militantly moved the needle on the issue in a disruptive, counter productive way, leaving a path of destruction and government waste.....nothing else.

[BorealOne]

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The problem here in the states is we had a pretty good system....it worked for 92% of us. We have forsaken it for a liberal wet dream, hastily authored, divisively enacted, citizen exclusionary, legislative failure that is poor in design and won't solve our problems short or long term.  Americans aren't ignorant, quite the contrary. They were the victim of a political power grab that provided no debate and few solutions. We have been more methodical with our space program, but not with people's lives. It is a mere attempt to copy european social democracy health systems, that in the end, are dated 1960's models and do not deal with the single common denominator all systems face. Rising costs.

 

Bang on. Ideology should have no place in the waiting rooms of a nation - evidence, not hope or fear, should drive reforms. Unfortunately, that gets lost in debates that have little if anything to do with the underlying issue of rising costs/affordability and access. I like your space program analogy - one would think that better health outcomes at lower costs is a goal that everyone could get behind. Instead, the "debate" was polarized. Somewhere beyond the talk of death panels, creeping socialism, and evil HMOs screwing poor little Timmy, there's a solution.

[AndyFromCB]

Canada's system is fast developing the same issues we have here in the states. It's a 1960's model that is a glaring example of there still being "only 52 cards in the deck". Germany is a great two tiered partnership of public and private institutions, but even they are seeing the bank break and are considering the idea of moving to non-profits. In America, political operatives asserted nearly 40 million people were uninsured. Extrapolating the young and healthy, chronically ill and 30 million immigrants, we arrive at medium single digit percentages of Americans who were uninsured. In world rankings, Canada's outcomes are better than the US, but not by overwhelming percentages. Japan seems to be the model. I am open to learning more about it. Here's Huff..a fair read and even so, liberally slanted:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/natasha-macdonalddupuis/the-future-of-canadian-healthcare_b_4429892.html

 

Then there's this, which does a lot of bellyaching and shows statistics, but doesn't really enumerate true failures:

 

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/cashc/research/2012/inconvenient_truths.aspx

 

The problem here in the states is we had a pretty good system....it worked for 92% of us. We have forsaken it for a liberal wet dream, hastily authored, divisively enacted, citizen exclusionary, legislative failure that is poor in design and won't solve our problems short or long term. It was modeled after a test cell, Massachusetts, a very non-representative example of how most Americans live. Americans aren't ignorant, quite the contrary. They were the victim of a political power grab that provided no debate, few solutions and in the end, will be the law's unravelling. We have been more methodical with our space program, but not with people's lives. It is a mere attempt to copy european social democracy health systems, that in the end, are dated 1960's models and do not deal with the single common denominator all systems face. Rising costs.

 

Obama deserves credit, only where it is due (a believe me, he will be credited for it endlessly to the distain of more than half of his royal subjects). He militantly moved the needle on the issue in a disruptive, counter productive way and nothing else.

My ass is worked for 92% of us. It worked for anyone healthy. It stopped working for most within 12 months of getting any sort of a disease that forced unemployment for them. And why are we extrapolating the healthy and the young? Are they somehow immune to DNA damage or car accidents? You all live in a dream reality because you've yet to deal with a major illness in your life.

 

Step 1: get everyone insured under uniform plans

 

Step 2: deal with rising costs once all insurance is uniform

 

Can't do 2, without first doing 1 a.k.a. power grab

[John Pleisse]

My ass is worked for 92% of us. It worked for anyone healthy. It stopped working for most within 12 months of getting any sort of a disease that forced unemployment for them. And why are we extrapolating the healthy and the young? Are they somehow immune to DNA damage or car accidents? You all live in a dream reality because you've yet to deal with a major illness in your life.

 

Step 1: get everyone insured under uniform plans

 

Step 2: deal with rising costs once all insurance is uniform

 

Can't do 2, without first doing 1 a.k.a. power grab

 

 

I would refer you to steps one and two. Maybe you could start a cheerleading squad. The old mantra by the administration was...."well, when everyone sees how good it is, they'll like it". Funny, they don't say that much any more. The ACA has only 10 mil right now. Half of whom the ill , sick and poor, the other half, people who liked their insurance, but were forcibly kicked to the exchanges because of it's ridiculous "fairness", moral based provisions (only one is fair-"pre-existing cond"). In my case, no husbands and wives can be a "group", when two unmarried or other can. 

 

The ACA will be carved up like a fat, 25 lbs, Thanksgiving bird.

[AndyFromCB]

I would refer you to steps one and two. Maybe you could start a cheerleading squad. The old mantra by the administration was...."well, when everyone sees how good it is, they'll like it". Funny, they don't say that much any more. The ACA has only 10 mil right now. Half of whom, liked their insurance, but were forcibly kicked to the exchanges because of it's ridiculous "fairness", moral based provisions (only one is fair-"pre-existing cond"). In my case, no husbands and wives can be a "group", when two unmarried or other can. 

 

The ACA will be carved up like a fat, 25 lbs, Thanksgiving bird.

What is your obsession with the husband and wife group? The rates in majority of these groups were high and were subject to major increases had they actually used the coverage and were subject to non-renewal. There is absolutely no difference between Gold plan and what majority of these people had under their "group" coverage. Zero. And nobody has to buy them via the "exchange". Your existing benefit broker can sell you the same plan. The deductibles are about the same  $2000 and $4000.

 

Much to do about nothing. Typical whinning from upper middle classes about how terrible their lives have become.

 

Nothing is going to happen to ACA. Dream on, Sunshine. I looked at the electoral maps. Next Democratic presidential nominee would have to abort a fetus on live TV and eat it in order to lose. There will not be a Republican president for years to come when the young ones come out to vote like they do in each presidential election unless the Republican party quits being the party of Jesus. Younger generation does not buy into the family values bullshit and tax cuts don't do anything for them since they make no money.

 

January being over, I fully intend to hop off the wagon tonight. Point proven. I can quit drinking anytime I want to. 

 

I noticed Indiana's conservative government saw the light and signed up for Medicaid. It's just a matter of time before TX gets on board as hospitals are stuck with more and more uncovered bills and start bitching to their local legislators. And then the rest of backwater states will follow. And then it's over, they are forever attached to that tit.

[flyboy0681]

Aaah, the infamous N of 1 example! That'll work!

 

Actually it does work. Since Republican's only think of themselves, n is always equal to one.

[AndyFromCB]

Actually it does work. Since Republican's only think of themselves, n is always equal to one.

 

Yeap, it's a proven fact that conservatives lack the ability to imagine themselves in other people's shoes. Hence only once their kids and their kids' cousins started coming out of the closet, did they started to see the light. It's been the same with prison sentencing reform. Same with gun control. Once drug laws and gun laws started being applied uniformly and started affecting Timmy and not just Tyrone, they started to see the light. Typical. It will be the same with abortions soon enough once their slutty 16 year daughters can no longer get one easily in 3/4 of the states.