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MooneyBob Mentor

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I have seen some unusual TFRs before, but to block out the whole east side of a state? Until further notice!

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What are those user waypoints? Just curious.

NotarPilot Veteran

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I believe we should have a definitive end date for published TFRs. Such as it can't last longer than 30 days. I always check the CA TFRs on the FAA website and always see the Disney TFR that's dated 2009. Seems a bit ridiculous to me.

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Marauder Grand Master

Marauder

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I just read the text blurb carefully. It does not indicate a plane is prohibited to enter the area, just to "watch out" for planes that are "participating" in the area. Definitely one of the crazier ones I have seen. Before I flew into the area, I would want to be sure there wasn't something hidden in the TFR.

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DS1980 Community Regular

DS1980

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I would think by definition, it being a TFR that civilian aircraft would not be allowed inside without prior permission.

Are there different categories of TFRs? I must have missed that day at ground school.

201er Grand Master

201er

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Ok ok, its just an fdc notam! Way o have everyone worked up over a glitch on your stupid garmin pilot.

ZNY NEW YORK (ARTCC) RONKONKOMA NY. !FDC 4/6935 (KZNY A0480/14) ZNY PART 1 OF 3 NJ..SPECIAL NOTICE..NEW JERSEY AND COASTAL AREAS HURRICANE ARTHUR DISASTER RESPONSE AND RECOVERY EFFORTS. PURSUANT TO 49 USC 40103(B), A SPECIAL NOTICE IS IN EFFECT TO SUPPORT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR AVIATION OPERATIONS, INCLUDING ONGOING DISASTER RESPONSE AND RECOVERY FLIGHTS, WITHIN THE HURRICANE ARTHUR AIRSPACE COORDINATION AREA (ACA) BOUNDED BY THE FOLLOWING COORDINATES: 404036N/0741735W OR THE TETERBORO /TEB/ VOR/DME 237 DEGREE RADIAL AT 14.7 NM TO 402510N/0735220W OR THE CANARSIE /CRI/ VOR/DME 186 DEGREE RADIAL AT 11.6 NM TO 393943N/0740200W OR THE COYLE /CYN/ VORTAC 127 DEGREE RADIAL AT 20.7 NM TO 392103N/0741744W OR THE ATLANTIC CITY /ACY/ VORTAC 126 DEGREE RADIAL AT 14.5 NM TO 384825N/0745356W OR THE WATERLOO /ATR/ VOR/DME 100 DEGREE RADIAL AT 14.7 NM TO 390200N/0750528W OR THE SEA ISLE /SIE/ VORTAC 264 DEGREE RADIAL AT 14.1 NM TO 394207N/0742138W OR THE COYLE /CYN/ VORTAC 165 DEGREE RADIAL AT 7.7 NM TO 394207N/0742138W OR THE COYLE /CYN/ VORTAC 165 DEGREE RADIAL AT 7.7 NM TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING 1407041745-1407061745EST END PART 1 OF 3 !FDC 4/6935 (KZNY A0480/14) ZNY PART 2 OF 3 NJ..SPECIAL FROM THE SURFACE UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING 6,500 AGL. 1. PILOTS FLYING IN THE HURRICANE ARTHUR ACA SHOULD EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION DUE TO PRESENCE OF NUMEROUS FLIGHT OPERATIONS ENGAGED IN DISASTER RESPONSE AND RECOVERY EFFORTS (HEREAFTER, REFERRED TO AS "PARTICIPATING"), INCLUDING LOW ALTITUDE, VISUAL FLIGHT RULES (VFR) AIR TRAFFIC OVER CRITICAL LOCATIONS. 2. PARTICIPATING AIRCRAFT MAY NEED TO MAKE SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED CHANGES IN DIRECTION, SPEED, AND ALTITUDE. 3. TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS (TFR) MAY BE ESTABLISHED OVER MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS AND OTHER CRITICAL LOCATIONS WITHIN THE ACA. EXPECT NUMEROUS FLIGHT OPERATIONS BY PARTICIPATING AIRCRAFT (BOTH FIXED WING AND ROTARY WING) WITHIN AND NEAR THESE TFRS 4. PILOTS SHOULD CHECK NEW YORK ARTCC (KZNY) NOTAMS FOR SPECIFIC PROCEDURES AND ACCESS REQUIREMENTS FOR FLIGHT WITHIN ANY TFR ISSUED FOR HURRICANE ARTHUR RECOVERY OPERATIONS. 5. HURRICANE ARTHUR DAMAGE MAY CREATE POTENTIAL AVIATION HAZARDS WITHIN AND NEAR TO THE ACA, INCLUDING THE DISRUPTION OF NORMAL AIR 1407041745-1407061745EST END PART 2 OF 3 !FDC 4/6935 (KZNY A0480/14) ZNY PART 3 OF 3 NJ..SPECIAL NAVIGATION SERVICES SUCH AS AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) AND NAVIGATION AIDS; EXPLOSIONS; AND FIRES RESULTING IN SMOKE PLUMES. IF AVIATION HAZARDS ARE OBSERVED, PILOTS SHOULD IMMEDIATELY TAKE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONARY ACTIONS (INCLUDING AVOIDING THE HAZARD AND ADVISING OTHER AIRCRAFT IN THE AREA) AND THEN PROVIDE THE POSITION (LAT/LONG) AND DESCRIPTION OF THE HAZARD TO ATC IF POSSIBLE. 6. PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO CHECK NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES PRIOR TO OPERATING WITHIN OR NEAR THE HURRICANE ARTHUR ACA. 1407041745-1407061745EST END PART 3 OF 3

Marauder Grand Master

Marauder

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Glitch or not, it was designated as a TFR in the tool I was using. Garmin should give me a free year of subscription for the angst, right Peter? Besides, it it were a real TFR, we would be bailing Alan out this morning.

PTK Grand Master

PTK

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Chris, no glitch. It was designated as a TFR but it wasn't really.

This was clarified and explained to me by Flight Service.

yvesg Mentor

yvesg

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Chris, no glitch. It was designated as a TFR but it wasn't really.

This was clarified and explained to me by Flight Service.

So is it a TFR or not?

Piloto Grand Master

Piloto

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For TFRs I check the FAA website:  tfr.faa.gov on my smart phone before going to the hangar. They show a map and a listing of the current TFRs, including the Virgin Islands, Alaska and Hawaii. The listing shows the active times for the TFR. Very handy to have on a smart phone.

 

Jose 

Marauder Grand Master

Marauder

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So is it a TFR or not?

It is not a TFR. It is what they are calling an ACA or Airspace Coordination Area. They indicate in the text that TFRs may established in the ACA.

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Alan Fox Grand Master

Alan Fox

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Is Hose' smiling in that pic , because he is in a Mooney ? or because of the hot ladyfriend in the cockpit , (possibly a stranger photobombing him ) ? or our interesting banter on Mooneyspace.........  I believe Mike should do a poll......

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