Awqward Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 I am thinking of getting one these installed... with the following sensors (on addition to Rpm, mp, CHT, EGT and fuel flow calcs): %HP, oat, volts, amps, oil P, oil T....has anyone had one installed and if so how do you find it? Also how many hours for the install? Anthony Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
orionflt Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 I have the MVP-50 and love it. There is not much difference between the two other then display size and what can be displayed on the main screen. I would recommend it over the MVP-50 unless you are redoing your panel completely.
donkaye, MCFI Posted March 2, 2014 Report Posted March 2, 2014 I have the MVP-50 and love it. There is not much difference between the two other then display size and what can be displayed on the main screen. I would recommend it over the MVP-50 unless you are redoing your panel completely. Are you using the Fuel Management page, satisfied with "fuel to waypoint" only instead of "fuel to Destination", what screens did you program for the Screens button, and which functions did you place in the 4 blue boxes on the Main Page? Having asked all those questions, the new product is a baby to the MVP 50---but it will give fuel to destination I am told. It won't replace all the engine instruments like the MVP 50 will.
Scott Aviation Posted March 3, 2014 Report Posted March 3, 2014 I have the EI CGR-30P installed now for 5 months, have a look at my past posts. IT IS CERTIFIED PRIMARY same as the mvp-50. I have removed my MP.RPM OAT, fuel pressure, oil press. oil temp. etc. it has fuel quantity as well fuel flow. they will set it all up for you at EI. IT IS AWESOME. I have pictures in my gallery and have posted pireps on it already. so Im not going to repeat previous comments. you can search history. Hope that helps.. 1
Awqward Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Posted March 3, 2014 I agree it does look awesome.....and thanks for the link....the only thing is that here in the UK I have one quote so far for supply and install at $4,800 for the unit plus $6,400 for the install....(includes the UK 20% Value Added Tax).....hence my question about hours to install....the quote would indicate 50 to 60 hours 1
orionflt Posted March 3, 2014 Report Posted March 3, 2014 Are you using the Fuel Management page, satisfied with "fuel to waypoint" only instead of "fuel to Destination", what screens did you program for the Screens button, and which functions did you place in the 4 blue boxes on the Main Page? Having asked all those questions, the new product is a baby to the MVP 50---but it will give fuel to destination I am told. It won't replace all the engine instruments like the MVP 50 will. I have been using the fuel management page to a small degree and it seems to be pretty accurate, I haven't used it in IFR conditions so I usually only have one waypoint loaded. on the screen buttons I have the aux gauges, the fuel management page, timer page and several others that i really don't use in flight but thought they may be useful (check list page is loaded, but needs editing). in the 4 boxes on the main screen i have carb temp, est fuel, airspeed and shock cool. for the eng temp mon in flight i swap between rop screen and the digital screen. the biggest problem i have right now is the warnings for my EGT spread, it is set for 100 degree split, I have a carbureted engine and I see splits up to 150 degrees on a regular basis, normally my #3 is the highest cylinder when I am above 7000 ft, but down low #2 is the higher one. I have checked the data to ensure that there isn't something causing the larger delta T and it seems that it is just the natural inefficiency of the barb system. Brian
Scott Aviation Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 I paid $3200 us for the unit at Oshkosh. The install took me 18 hours first time installing engine monitor. Had my mechanic sign off and had no issues. Total cost was $3500 us.
Scott Aviation Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 50 hours is ludacris and if they tell you that they are waaaay overcharging
donkaye, MCFI Posted March 4, 2014 Report Posted March 4, 2014 I have been using the fuel management page to a small degree and it seems to be pretty accurate, I haven't used it in IFR conditions so I usually only have one waypoint loaded. on the screen buttons I have the aux gauges, the fuel management page, timer page and several others that i really don't use in flight but thought they may be useful (check list page is loaded, but needs editing). in the 4 boxes on the main screen i have carb temp, est fuel, airspeed and shock cool. for the eng temp mon in flight i swap between rop screen and the digital screen. the biggest problem i have right now is the warnings for my EGT spread, it is set for 100 degree split, I have a carbureted engine and I see splits up to 150 degrees on a regular basis, normally my #3 is the highest cylinder when I am above 7000 ft, but down low #2 is the higher one. I have checked the data to ensure that there isn't something causing the larger delta T and it seems that it is just the natural inefficiency of the barb system. Brian Thank you for your input, Brian.
Awqward Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Posted March 4, 2014 My quote is from one of the only 3 or 4 FAA Part 145 Repair stations in the UK....can it be installed by a normal A&P (with my assistance) and signed off by an IA? I had thought it required a RS with avionics certificates to do the work? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Awqward Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Posted March 4, 2014 Btw Scott, which Primary and Secondary indications did you choose?
M016576 Posted March 5, 2014 Report Posted March 5, 2014 50 hours is ludacris and if they tell you that they are waaaay overcharging I am having one installed right now- quoted time was 20 hours. 40-50 hours? That's crazy.
Awqward Posted March 7, 2014 Author Report Posted March 7, 2014 The shop said they just installed on one on a PA46 and they think 67.5 hours is required :-( Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
orionflt Posted March 7, 2014 Report Posted March 7, 2014 two weeks to install that is crazy, it will take a couple of days to route the wires and cleanly terminate them, for an avionics shop they should be pretty efficient doing that. there is also added time for the removal of the indicators that are being replaced...maybe a day. I would est 25-35 hours to be the correct time frame, I installed my MVP-50 in less then 30hrs over a couple of months if you look at just installation time (not the time to modify the panel), I did have other projects being accomplished during the same time period so it is hard to give an exact number, I also added a few features during installation and found myself having to order additional fittings or parts that are not included in the kit but are required for installation. with the CGR-30 you do not have to modify the instrument panel so the lowers the installation time considerably from the MVP-50. as for who can install it, it can be installed by an A&P/IA, infact an IA is required to sign off the 337 in order to return the aircraft to service. On a side note, If you want to over pay for installation, I would be more then happy to come over to and charge you for two weeks of labor, I could use a nice vacation! Brian
Awqward Posted March 7, 2014 Author Report Posted March 7, 2014 Thanks Brian.... I am now talking to my IA about doing it at annual time....with assistance from me....of course that means sourcing the unit myself.... I may try and have it delivered to a colleague in Houston for hand carrying back....that way I may save myself about $5,000!! I guess I would need to speak to EI about configuration and ensure they give the system setup as password to my IA... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
orionflt Posted March 7, 2014 Report Posted March 7, 2014 Why the price bump shipping it to you? if you look at EI's web site you can get the configuration data sheet, just fill that out and they will configure everything before the ship it out. If you need to make config changes you will have to call EI and get the pass code as it is a revolving code based on your units ID and the date, once you use the code it can not be used again (FAA requirements for certified aircraft). I have had to call them several times for changes i have made to my unit and they have been great to work with. your biggest difficulty will be the time difference. Have you looked at a direct purchase thru aircraft spruce? there prices are lower then factory direct and I believe they will ship internationally, or as you said your friend could bring it back for you. I'm sure there are plenty of people on Mooney space who would help if you asked. Brian
Awqward Posted March 7, 2014 Author Report Posted March 7, 2014 The main cost savings will be in doing the work myself with my A&P/IA.....but there is also a major uplift over US prices to buy it here (or have it shipped) here due to import tax (20% VAT) plus shipping.....via the avionics shop I'm looking at around $4800 for the unit (about $1500 more than the US) plus $6400 for installation (around $3-4000 more than the US)....if I ever go for a major panel upgrade I'd be better off flying it to the US! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Bob_Belville Posted March 7, 2014 Report Posted March 7, 2014 I had a JPI EDM 930 installed in conjunction with a new panel. 36 hours included removing fuel level sensors which were rebuilt, all the engine probes, transducers, and sensors since the 930 is primary for fuel qty, MAP, Tach, EGT, CHT. Included a new OAT probe, fuel flow sensor, and connection to GPS,
Awqward Posted March 7, 2014 Author Report Posted March 7, 2014 By the way Brian, your idea of a paid vacation is not such a silly idea!! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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