wilcoaircraft Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Very clean 1967 Mooney M20F. 1246 SMOH. 4650 TT. Many performance mods and recent annual. Complete maintenance logs. Full IFR. New leather interior. This F model Mooney is equipped with a 200hp Continental IO-360-A1A, 3 bladed Hartzell propeller and several “speed” modifications, including sloped windscreen, overlapping nose gear doors, aileron gap seals, and lower cowl closure for improved airflow and engine cooling. New beige, leather interior with extended cabin; ample legroom in second row and spacious baggage area. Fail safe, manual landing gear system and hand pumped hydraulic flap extension. Other modifications include reliable, float operated fuel level sight gauges installed on both wing tanks, Hamilton vertical compass card, new tires and new main ship battery. Full IFR equipped avionics with KMD 150 moving map, KLN 94 with built-in approaches, GPS/Nav/Hdg. selectable Century II autopilot, KT78 with mode C encoder, and KX 155 Nav/Comm with localizer and glideslope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moodychief Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 What repairs had to be made after the crash in 1976? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Is that really that relevant of a question after 36 years? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moodychief Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Considering it crashed while buzzing a house at low altitude, yes, I think that is a fair question...even after 36 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moodychief Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 I wouldn't question it if it was a typical gear up landing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST FLIGHT OPTIONS LLC Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Quote: moodychief Considering it crashed while buzzing a house at low altitude, yes, I think that is a fair question...even after 36 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoaircraft Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Before rumors start spreading like 17 year old girls on Facebook let me please clarify. The plane sustained damage to the co-pilot side landing gear when it collapsed upon a rough landing in 1976. The wingtip was also damaged and subsequently repaired professionally along with the landing gear shortly after the incident. The plane has been flying soundly since then with no additional issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moodychief Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Thank you. That was the type of info I was looking for. Sometimes the accident reports are vague in what happened and don't provide any clues to the type of damage. What is the asking price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabremech Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 The whole point of my post is that "damage history" is an overused phrase. Is an airplane that is repaired with all factory new parts different than when it rolled out of the factory? The answer is "no". So the relevance of this incident from 36 years ago is nil. It's time to dispell these myths including the "crash while buzzing a house at low altitude". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoaircraft Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 The damage and subsequent repairs are outlined, in detail, in the logs... Asking price is 55,000 but will consider reasonable trades.. Aircraft, real estate etc. Make an offer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funvee Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Quote: Sabremech The whole point of my post is that "damage history" is an overused phrase. Is an airplane that is repaired with all factory new parts different than when it rolled out of the factory? The answer is "no". So the relevance of this incident from 36 years ago is nil. It's time to dispell these myths including the "crash while buzzing a house at low altitude". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregwatts Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Quote: Sabremech Is that really that relevant of a question after 36 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantom Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 To people looking to buy, DH is almost always considered relevant; to those who own a plane with DH, it's almost always thought of as irrelevant, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Quote: funvee IMHO, I completely disagree. I won't buy a car that has been in an accident for the very reason that resale down the road is impacted by that history. In a plane with an FAA record history, anyone that looks at the plane to purchase (as I am right now) will be wondering what happened. If that history takes even a few buyers out of the market for a given plane, that impacts supply / demand and could drop the price. So, even if I would be completely ok with the damage and the proper repairs, i would avoid a plane because the resale is more difficult. I sure wouldn't pay the same for a plane with dh as I would for one w/o dh (even if all the parts were replace with factory new). If the DH doesn't matter for old incidents, maybe the FAA should purge old data after a suitable timeframe. As long as they keep those, the "explain the DH" question is always going to be valid (again, in my opinion only). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funvee Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I'm the one who is in the market and trying to find a plane Bryon. If I am the one laying down the money, then any question that changes the value or my desire for a Plane is valid in my opinion. Sorry you disagree but I will continue to ask about damage history even if it offends you or any A&P. By the way, nice attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Nice attitude? You are the one who doesnt know what you don't know, explaining on your third post to an A&P aircraft owner that a damage history airplane isnt worth anything. Let me guess, you are looking for a pefect log "NDH" airplane that has less than 2000 hours on it and a fresh engine. NVM the engine was done 20 years ago, look how shiny that paint is! Then after two or three 10,000$ shop bills, you put a new engine in it, and a whole set of radios, then list of for sale for 150K and again, explain to the IA's and ATP's how your 1967 M20F is worth 150K. After all, adding up all your reciepts you are in it for that.... Good luck in your search. Let us know how it turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantom Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Quote: JimR As for resale, I'll probably never sell my Mooney so it will most likely never be something that I have to worry about. If I do, though, I'll just pass along the 20% discount and I suspect that I'll have no trouble finding a buyer. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennett Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Quote: jetdriven Nice attitude? You are the one who doesnt know what you don't know, explaining on your third post to an A&P aircraft owner that a damage history airplane isnt worth anything. Let me guess, you are looking for a pefect log "NDH" airplane that has less than 2000 hours on it and a fresh engine. NVM the engine was done 20 years ago, look how shiny that paint is! Then after two or three 10,000$ shop bills, you put a new engine in it, and a whole set of radios, then list of for sale for 150K and again, explain to the IA's and ATP's how your 1967 M20F is worth 150K. After all, adding up all your reciepts you are in it for that.... Good luck in your search. Let us know how it turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennett Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 That last reply was from me (Funvee - Shawn)... don't know why it is showing up as being from Bennett ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funvee Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Quote: Bennett That last reply was from me (Funvee - Shawn)... don't know why it is showing up as being from Bennett ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Shawn, welcome to the "old" MooneySpace. The "new" MooneySpace won't have login errors. expect that the same people will still be around in the new one though. Remember to make a donation to the site for improvements, if you haven't done so already... Donations come in two forms, financial and knowledge. Both are appreciated! Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 funvee's constraints due to Canadian import regs (problems!) make his search for the NDH and squared-away Mooney make sense. Their restrictions on TBOs and mods are quite severe compared to ours in the US. Jim gave an excellent thought on damage history and the impact on the market, especially that damage history involves a wide spectrum that could end up with no impact on value, or a total loss, and everything in between. His plane certainly has no lingering effects after the damage was removed, and it is still giving great utility today. Compared to a previously flooded plane with a shiny paint job....uh, I'd no doubt prefer his plane. Many gear-up repairs end up making the Mooney better than it was before if done correctly. Hangar rash repairs should be non-deductions as well. With the Mooney fleet getting older every minute and the available pool of planes for sale, a buyer will sooner or later have to choose one with the fewest warts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoaircraft Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Heres a link to the YouTube video on the aircraft. Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funvee Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Looks great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m20flyer Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Just one pilot's opinion: DH is absolutely a legtimate concern. Sure, something may have been "repaired," but by who? A yahoo A&P with a quick and dirty attitude, an owner/operator flight school, a competent professional...? I know that I'm not alone in saying that DH addressed by a MSC (or pt145 shop with a decent reputation) will be more tolerable than a field repair by "Joe-Jack's Aeroplain Services and Tire Center." DH shouldn't necessarily turn you off, but it shouldn't be considered irrelevant either. I know of an M20F that has been geared-up no fewer than six times (a pt61 trainer/rental). Would you pay the seller $50K for it when you could get one with NDH for a similar sum? Nobody in their right mind would. I think jetdriven is generally correct, however. Most repairs I've seen are done reasonably well. I did do a prebuy on an F that had some pretty shoddy leading edge repairs that even the fresh coat of paint couldn't cover though. Buyer beware! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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