Echo Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 See photos. This plane lost power while going up a canyon and pilot put plane down walking away. From the photos it appears that the engine was NOT under power (prop tips). I couldn't find any info on the cause of the loss of power in my search. Thanks for help. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted September 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 N600FS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 There was an earlier thread on this but no real discussion. It does link to a BT thread but I don’t have a Beechcraft so I dunno what they said https://mooneyspace.com/topic/42801-and-yet-another-n600fs-crashes-into-hilltop-taking-off-at-ellenville-ny-n89/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Kathryn’s Report also has essentially zero information. http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/07/mooney-m20f-n600fs-incident-occurred.html?m=1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted September 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Thanks TOTO. I had found the Kathryn's Report (lack of info) and I to don't visit BeechTalk. Appreciate your reply. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said: https://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=209749 You don't need to be a BT member to read it. Not a lot there but a few tracks shown. When I click that link, I get a registration wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted September 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 54 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said: Prelim: Location: Cragsmoor, NY Accident Number: ERA22LA307 Date & Time: July 10, 2022, 19:17 Local Registration: N600FS Aircraft: Mooney M20F Injuries: 1 None Flight Conducted Under: Part 91: General aviation - Personal On July 10, 2022, about 1917 eastern daylight time, a Mooney M20F, N600FS, was substantially damaged when it was involved in an accident near Cragsmoor, New York. The pilot was not injured. The airplane was operated as a Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 personal flight. The flight originated at Joseph Y Resnick Airport (N89), Ellenville, New York, destined for Brookhaven Airport (HWV), Shirley, New York. According to the pilot, the airplane was fully fueled when he departed N89. While en route to HWV, about 5 minutes after takeoff, the pilot noticed that the airplane’s climb performance was less than normal, and the airplane was struggling to maintain a 500 foot-per-minute rate of climb. As the pilot noticed that he was approaching terrain faster than the climb performance of the airplane would allow him to avoid, he considered making a steep turn away from the terrain but did not feel the turn could be executed without a critical loss of altitude in the narrow corridor in which he was flying. Therefore, the pilot decided to continue the same flight path at the best rate of climb configuration. He maintained a wings level and nose up attitude as the airplane impacted trees and flight was no longer sustainable. The airplane was retained for examination. Thanks. EXACTLY what I was looking for. I have this engine in my new to me plane. Pilot says he refueled. Apparently FAA doesn't have enough resources to do much evaluation if no fatalities. Engine is STRONG and has thirty hours since installation on my plane. Crankshaft gear inspected. New bolts and lock tab on rear cover with new gaskets/sump intake and exhaust gaskets. Fuel servo repaired. Bendix mags inspected, lubed and cleaned. This engine runs really cool on oil and cylinder temps. I have 6.5 hours and no oil has needed added since change right before pick-up. Super smooth with Hartzell two blade Top Prop. Would LOVE to know what REAL cause of this plane going down was, but will likely NEVER know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted September 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 So pilot maintains he was "under power", but reduced power and climbing at 500fpm, but couldn't outclimb terrain, so when I look at that prop it sure doesn't seem like it was under power when it went down. Only one tip is just a little bent. Shenanigans? That photo in trees looks like the wings are both GONE. Strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 Absolute last thing on my mind after a crash would be to put the cowl plugs back in. Maybe he never removed them in the first place...? Just sayin' EDIT: NEVER MIND! Looked at the salvage photos and one photo of the crash site shows the nose WITHOUT cowl plugs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted September 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 There were a BUNCH of photos of this planes intake boot on the salvage sight. The boot was a complete mess. I wonder if this was an issue with this plane too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Echo said: There were a BUNCH of photos of this planes intake boot on the salvage sight. The boot was a complete mess. I wonder if this was an issue with this plane too? You might be onto something; that intake is pretty trashed! And, scratch my theory: one of the photos at the crash site does NOT have the cowl plug installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exM20K Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 Nice job by the pilot saving his or herself.….”fly as far into the crash as you can.” It looks like he or she put a great deal of time and money into that plane (panel, new engine, polished aluminum). It must be devastating to see it destroyed. would an E model run at all with the cowl plugs in? I doubt my plane would. It is a good habit to drape the tether for cowl plugs in front of one prop blade so that it will be snatched loose when the engine is cranked. At least one of the prop blades appears to be spun 180*, which is odd but likely an artifact of the crash and recovery. -dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 You have to break some serious parts to get that prop blade to rotate 180 degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kortopates Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 Seen a pilot new in type take off with cowl plugs in place on a lyc IO-360. Cylinders will last less than 20 minutes before they’re toast.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinecone Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 Plus one on looping the cord over a blade. I was taking to FBO owner and there was a guy who got mad when he started with the plugs in as the cord damaged the plugs (but did pull them out of the cowling), so he stopped doing it that way. Yeap, a while later he forgot them again, but the cord did not pull them out and he toasted the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 14 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said: You have to break some serious parts to get that prop blade to rotate 180 degrees. Yeah, and I’d think ‘climb performance’ might be affected Wouldn’t there be a wee bit of vibration, as well? @Cody Stallings What could cause a prop to fail like this? Have you ever seen this 180 blade turn before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmfriday Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 not sure but i did bid on it at salvage. It had a lot of nice equipment with it and a nice set of 201 yokes... To be honest i did assume the engine to be a core only but i also wasnt looking for a engine, i was after the other stuff.... i'm glad the engine is working out for you and hopefully it gives you many,many trouble free hours!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted September 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 30 minutes ago, Rmfriday said: not sure but i did bid on it at salvage. It had a lot of nice equipment with it and a nice set of 201 yokes... To be honest i did assume the engine to be a core only but i also wasnt looking for a engine, i was after the other stuff.... i'm glad the engine is working out for you and hopefully it gives you many,many trouble free hours!! Agree. Avionics and yokes were nice. Don't know what seller paid for the engine. So far so good. Thanks, Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Stallings Posted November 9, 2023 Report Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) On 9/18/2023 at 11:37 AM, MikeOH said: Yeah, and I’d think ‘climb performance’ might be affected Wouldn’t there be a wee bit of vibration, as well? @Cody Stallings What could cause a prop to fail like this? Have you ever seen this 180 blade turn before? A broken pitch change knob on the blade. Not something you see often, but I have seen it a few times. Edited December 25, 2023 by Cody Stallings 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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