Mooney Bravo for rent for Training? Bay Area

[SuperSmash]

Hi, folks!

I'm looking to get some training from Don Kaye in anticipation of a Bravo I'm acquiring later this year. Wondering if anyone has and would be willing to rent one (or would have a lead on someone) such that he could provide me some training in it. If not a Bravo, any other turbocharged M20 would be ideal.

For those who don't know him (though that probably is no one on this site) Don has over 5000 hours of training people in Mooneys, so it definitely couldn't be in better hands.

Thanks in advance!

[Danb]

Maybe Don will let u use his.

[kortopates]

Maybe Don will let u use his.

Very unlikely.
i don’t know of any Mooney specific instructors that carry commercial insurance to instruct in their personal AC.
It’s really only going to work if the OP finds a turbo mooney in a club nearby.
the only one i know of is a 231 at SMO
And it really does nothing for the new owner since even 10-20 hrs in type will do nothing to reduce initial insurance rates. It takes a lot more hours.


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[OR75]

Making an aircraft available for hire is an all different ball game … from a maintenance and insurance standpoints . Highly unlikely unless a flying club or FBO or flight school has already one for rent

[PilotX]

https://www.apaflyers.com/fleet $329 dry. Love to take this one and cruise at 220kts!

[kortopates]

https://www.apaflyers.com/fleet $329 dry. Love to take this one and cruise at 220kts!

Wooza! about $500 hr w/ fuel!


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[LANCECASPER]

On 6/25/2023 at 7:21 PM, kortopates said:

Wooza! about $500 hr w/ fuel!
 

Even at the dry rate there's no way they are making money on it.

I can't even imagine what the insurance must be. Actually even more so, I can't imagine letting someone who is renting a Bravo and paying for fuel decide how lean to run it. They will be apt to look at the POH at run it up to 1750 to save fuel and "go fast". Plan on new cylinders and tail pipe every 400-500 hours, new complete exhaust every 1000 hrs and a new TIT probe every 100 hours. Then there's the learning curve on landing the long body Mooneys (porpoising, prop strike, tail strike, etc.)

[kortopates]

agreed, anyone that rents a Bravo is doing it purely to subsidize their cost of ownership since they’re probably not flying it enough.

I am associated with the largest flying club in America and the only planes that actually generate a profit are the trainers that are flown multiple times daily. Every higher performance aircraft is mostly flown to go somewhere after the checkout process and as such are not big revenue producers. This is a pilots club that allows the plane to be used for 24hrs for each 1hr flown. It takes a savvy aircraft owner just to make a lease back even work, it can get very expensive paying for the experience one needs to make it successful. Partnerships are much more viable for most people that don’t want to take on the burden and responsibility of sole ownership.
But for this pilot, who thought renting was the best option for years, found aircraft ownership to be the best flying decision i ever made.


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[JohnB]

On 6/23/2023 at 11:55 AM, SuperSmash said:

Hi, folks!

I'm looking to get some training from Don Kaye in anticipation of a Bravo I'm acquiring later this year. Wondering if anyone has and would be willing t

You’re on the right track with getting Don Kaye to do your transition training. I had complex experience but no Bravo experience before I got mine. Note your insurance won’t let you fly it unless you have a number of hours flying it, for good reasons. You can get those hours in when you do your transition training. 
 

you might want to get a Bravo manual and start studying it, get some reading materials from Don which I’m sure he would gladly give you and rent some complex airplanes in the meantime. But a Mooney specific instructor to do your transition training is crucial to safe flying and Don is one of the best, if not the best at that. 

[Parker_Woodruff]

While I certainly appreciate the enthusiasm, it's really best just to wait until you get your plane.  One reason - since Don Kaye knows Bravos so well, he might recognize something that needs to be looked at with *your* plane as he flies it to make sure it's up to par.