2 Dead in Bonanza crash this morning in Buckeye AZ

[Fly Boomer]

59 minutes ago, Shadrach said:

I wonder who gave it two stars.

I saw that, but couldn't find any place "ratings" are allowed, stored, or visible.  No doubt it was some ne'er-do-well.

[T. Peterson]

On 6/20/2022 at 6:20 PM, hubcap said:

I would never suggest flying around that slow in the pattern either, but apparently some folks do since these stall/spin accidents continue to occur. I simply mentioned it in response to the original post and the posters comments as a low time Mooney pilot as it is my personal minimum based on the training provided and used by some professional pilots. It wasn't intended to be controversial.

I believe you threw him off in one of your earlier posts in which you mentioned vref as a minimum in the pattern. I think you may have meant on final as vref is certainly too slow for flying around the pattern. The reason is that you should never exceed 15 degrees angle of bank at vref. This is impractical in the pattern but just fine on final as you should never need to exceed 15 degrees angle of bank on final. Vref is a good compromise between being too close to stall speed, and too fast to land in the touchdown zone. That’s all there is to it. Not a big mystery, but you definitely don’t want 30 degrees AOB at Vref. I like vref and 20 (95 +or -) till I roll out on final.