RobertGary1 Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 As I watched the staff at my AMEs print my new medical on the printer I asked if I lost it can they print another one? No still have to go through okc. But if I photo copy the certificate that came off their printer how would the FAA know? Back when it was on special paper it made sense but since it’s just printed anyway why make it so hard to replace? -Robert Quote
Hank Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) Because the rules were written way back when, and nothing warms that spot in a bureaucrat where the rest of us have hearts quite like a lengthy, complicated, difficult-to-follow set of rules. Having the rules outdated just makes them laugh! Seriously, you'd think a reasonable person would update the rules when the form the rules surround is changed . . . . Bureaucrats!!! Edited November 4, 2020 by Hank Quote
MikeOH Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 It's the government...logic is a foreign concept. Further proof: When I once lost my medical and called OKC, they emailed me one to print until a 'new' one arrived in the mail! 2 Quote
PT20J Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 My AME prints out the certificate on the cheapest paper he can buy. I always scan it in case it disintegrates before my next exam. 3 Quote
RobertGary1 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Report Posted November 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, PT20J said: My AME prints out the certificate on the cheapest paper he can buy. I always scan it in case it disintegrates before my next exam. Mine live a tough life in my wallet and generally have a tough time making it 12 months. -Robert Quote
RLCarter Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, RobertGary1 said: Mine live a tough life in my wallet and generally have a tough time making it 12 months. Same here, mine will make 24 but not much past that Quote
larrynimmo Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 Since I fly one bird...and only one bird, I keep my medical, and my ticket with the planes registration and airworthiness certificate 1 Quote
midlifeflyer Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 LOL. I was going through my wallet and found my last medical certificate. It expired a year and a half ago and was still intact. Don't ask me the rationale for requiring an "original" certificate for something only the FAA cares about and can easily look up. But keep in mind there is a difference between them"original" and a scan or photocopy. The wet signature on it. Quote
Hank Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said: LOL. I was going through my wallet and found my last medical certificate. It expired a year and a half ago and was still intact. Don't ask me the rationale for requiring an "original" certificate for something only the FAA cares about and can easily look up. But keep in mind there is a difference between them"original" and a scan or photocopy. The wet signature on it. Ball point pens aren't very "wet." With a modern copier, it's extremely difficult to tell a copy from an original black ink signature. I'm in medical manufacturing, everything is signed, and I routinely sign in blue just so I can tell if it's original or a copy . . .. 2 Quote
EricJ Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 I leave mine at home now, so it stays in good shape. Quote
jaylw314 Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Hank said: Ball point pens aren't very "wet." With a modern copier, it's extremely difficult to tell a copy from an original black ink signature. I'm in medical manufacturing, everything is signed, and I routinely sign in blue just so I can tell if it's original or a copy . . .. Most printers and copiers can do color too If someone REALLY wanted to tell, you could look for the dent in the paper from the writing pressure, or just analyze the ink. Quote
Hank Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, jaylw314 said: Most printers and copiers can do color too If someone REALLY wanted to tell, you could look for the dent in the paper from the writing pressure, or just analyze the ink. There ain't none of that when I write. Too many years using good fountain pens! There's no need to carve into the paper . . . . . 2 Quote
Mooneymite Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Hank said: There ain't none of that when I write. Too many years using good fountain pens! There's no need to carve into the paper . . . . . Hank, your experience with fountain pens was obviously different from mine. I've had some very expensive fountain pens, but never a "good" one. Getting rid of fountain pens was like moving from propellers into the jets. Never look back. 1 Quote
Hank Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mooneymite said: Hank, your experience with fountain pens was obviously different from mine. I've had some very expensive fountain pens, but never a "good" one. Getting rid of fountain pens was like moving from propellers into the jets. Never look back. They write SOOOOOOO much nicer! But a bad fountain pen is a horrible thing. 1 Quote
smwash02 Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 In the same vein, I asked for an airworthiness reissue because mine had some chunks missing. It was printed in the same manner as your medical on standard printer paper and it has no signatures. Quote
RobertGary1 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Report Posted November 4, 2020 The more important question is if any FAA official could tell the difference. realistically an faa official could just look you up on the website and see your medical status. Carrying a paper certificate is very 1960’s. -Robert 1 Quote
GeeBee Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 Still I can tell you for a fact that photocopied MCs are verboten and several airlines have pilots with violations to prove it. It was in fact at my line the most common FAA violation except for altitude busts for about 6 months. As for re-issuance believe it or not as noted above an email, fax or telex message is from OKC is sufficient. It used to be so common I remember the chief pilot's office had a little "window" in which a fax machine set for OKC to send you a temporary during late hours. Now, some airlines air crew records systems have been issued operations specifications that allow the airline to re-issue a lost or stolen MC or PC to a pilot while a permanent replacement is sent. 1 Quote
midlifeflyer Posted November 4, 2020 Report Posted November 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Hank said: Ball point pens aren't very "wet." With a modern copier, it's extremely difficult to tell a copy from an original black ink signature. I'm in medical manufacturing, everything is signed, and I routinely sign in blue just so I can tell if it's original or a copy . . .. Even then. There are color scanners/copiers. Quote
gsxrpilot Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 I carry a photo copy. I dare anyone to tell the difference. I have a copy in my flight bag, one in the wallet, one in the plane behind the registration. 1 Quote
carusoam Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 Basic Med... a couple of pages long... Signed, stored in the plane for safe keeping... cause I’m not going to fold it up and put it in my wallet... The company I worked for had a training for signing documents... including no gel pens, erasable pens, pencils, or color pens... Some inks don’t last a year before they start fading... some inks spread and wick through the fibers of the paper... others get erased or are easily changed... the blue ink doesn’t copy as well... Black ink only. Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
midlifeflyer Posted November 5, 2020 Report Posted November 5, 2020 8 hours ago, carusoam said: Basic Med... a couple of pages long... Signed, stored in the plane for safe keeping... cause I’m not going to fold it up and put it in my wallet... well, since you are not required to have it with you and it only has to be available in your logbook... 1 Quote
MikeOH Posted November 6, 2020 Report Posted November 6, 2020 16 hours ago, midlifeflyer said: well, since you are not required to have it with you and it only has to be available in your logbook... So, let's get this straight: 1) If you have a MEDICAL CERTIFICATE, you MUST have it with you, and it MUST be an ORIGINAL, and you MUST show it to a LEO. 2) If you have BASIC MED, you don't have to have ANY proof with you, and get to tell the LEO to stuff it when he asks. Good thing we don't get ALL the government we pay for Quote
Matt_AZ Posted November 6, 2020 Report Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) If I were a Dr who was also a pilot, I would understand the process. I would print off 2 copies and sign both of them. I’d tell my patient to keep one one hand and put the other in a safe place in case the first was lost. Both would be original, have the original signature and would satisfy the legal requirement. I’m not a Dr but that sure does make a lot of sense. Edited November 6, 2020 by Matt_AZ Quote
RobertGary1 Posted November 6, 2020 Author Report Posted November 6, 2020 55 minutes ago, Matt_AZ said: If I were a Dr who was also a pilot, I would understand the process. I would print off 2 copies and sign both of them. I’d tell my patient to keep one one hand and put the other in a safe place in case the first was lost. Both would be original, have the original signature and would satisfy the legal requirement. I’m not a Dr but that sure does make a lot of sense. I asked in the office if I ever lost it can they just reprint it again on their super special HP printer from office max. Nope they said. -Robert Quote
midlifeflyer Posted November 6, 2020 Report Posted November 6, 2020 17 hours ago, MikeOH said: So, let's get this straight: 1) If you have a MEDICAL CERTIFICATE, you MUST have it with you, and it MUST be an ORIGINAL, and you MUST show it to a LEO. 2) If you have BASIC MED, you don't have to have ANY proof with you, and get to tell the LEO to stuff it when he asks. Good thing we don't get ALL the government we pay for You are assuming a LEO knows what a medical certificate is and would ask for anything other than ID. 2 Quote
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