rxo188 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 Hi. I have a stock M20J and I want to turbonormalize it. There's almost absolutely nothing about this on the internet except for one company that is so out of date their email bounces back. http://m20turbos.hypermart.net/turbo_kits.htm I can't even find anything on youtube. Has anyone added a turbo to their IO-360 on the J model? I'm probably scratching at nothing here, because it seems the price for a turbonormalizer would eclipse the cost of an overhaul, but I'm curious if anyone's done it. Quote
Marauder Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 Hi. I have a stock M20J and I want to turbonormalize it. There's almost absolutely nothing about this on the internet except for one company that is so out of date their email bounces back. http://m20turbos.hypermart.net/turbo_kits.htm I can't even find anything on youtube. Has anyone added a turbo to their IO-360 on the J model? I'm probably scratching at nothing here, because it seems the price for a turbonormalizer would eclipse the cost of an overhaul, but I'm curious if anyone's done it. Speak with John Breda on this site. Not sure of his handle here but searching his last name will find him. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Quote
KSMooniac Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 Hi. I have a stock M20J and I want to turbonormalize it. There's almost absolutely nothing about this on the internet except for one company that is so out of date their email bounces back. http://m20turbos.hypermart.net/turbo_kits.htm I can't even find anything on youtube. Has anyone added a turbo to their IO-360 on the J model? I'm probably scratching at nothing here, because it seems the price for a turbonormalizer would eclipse the cost of an overhaul, but I'm curious if anyone's done it. That site you found is some sort of static archive of the original site for the M20 Turbos company that has been closed for several years now. It was developed in the late 90's by a gentleman with a J as a retirement project, more or less. He passed away some years later and his wife kept it going for a while. I unsuccessfully tried to purchase it many years ago, as have at least one other that I know of. It is now gone. Right now there are no options that I know of to TN your J from scratch. Tornado Alley Turbo has a similar kit for the C177RG but have thus far been unwilling to do a Mooney version. It is also $40k+, I believe, so there won't be much demand from our crowd at that price.Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk Quote
peevee Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 Market for a nice j is stronger than a nice k. Be a lot cheaper to sell and buy a k 2 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 I think I'm the only one on here with a M20 Turbos conversion. The company died with Mr. Sandman. I talked with him quite a few times before he died and he was always helpful. Luckily almost all the parts are 231 parts and the rest are repairable. I see no reason that I can't keep this setup going forever. I doubt you will ever be able to do another one. Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted January 17, 2018 Report Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) BTW, If I had to do it all over again I would just buy a 231. Edited January 18, 2018 by N201MKTurbo 2 Quote
gsxrpilot Posted January 18, 2018 Report Posted January 18, 2018 Yeah... like others have said. There are a lot of turbo J's around... they're more commonly referred to as K's. Same body, just slightly longer cowl, the exact same displacement spread over 6 instead of 4 cylinders and a turbo. It's pretty easy to sell a nice J these days and that same money will buy an nice K. The best K's are Encores, followed by 252's, and then the budget 231's. Your J will buy you a really nice 231, an average 252, or 2/3rd of an Encore. 3 Quote
carusoam Posted January 18, 2018 Report Posted January 18, 2018 @M20F-1968 paging Dr. Breda.... ^^^^ -a- Quote
Bartman Posted January 18, 2018 Report Posted January 18, 2018 There is a Turbo J listed on AAA and Controller Quote
M20F-1968 Posted January 28, 2018 Report Posted January 28, 2018 I just heard my page....... rxo188: Yes you can turbonormalize your J. The last STC was the M20 turbo kit. That company is no longer in existence. I have a rebuilt original RayJay kit which you could use. given that it was originally designed for the E and F, you would need to change some plumbing to be able to use it with a J model airbox, but it is otherwise the same kit without an intercooler and with a manual wastegate as opposed to a fixed wastegate. You can call me at (617) 877-0025 or e-mail me at john.breda@gmail.com John Breda 1 Quote
carusoam Posted January 28, 2018 Report Posted January 28, 2018 @rxo188 has been away for a week.... see if I can help close the loop. This thread contains a lot of interesting detail... the original request for info. MSers with actual experience on their Mooney. One MSer with a TN system that has been OH'd already... A whole bunch of other interesting details. Best regards, -a- Quote
Mcstealth Posted January 30, 2018 Report Posted January 30, 2018 I talked to DMax several years ago. He said it took 40 hours to install the M20 STC Quote
Mcstealth Posted January 30, 2018 Report Posted January 30, 2018 On 1/17/2018 at 11:38 AM, KSMooniac said: That site you found is some sort of static archive of the original site for the M20 Turbos company that has been closed for several years now. It was developed in the late 90's by a gentleman with a J as a retirement project, more or less. He passed away some years later and his wife kept it going for a while. I unsuccessfully tried to purchase it many years ago, as have at least one other that I know of. It is now gone. Right now there are no options that I know of to TN your J from scratch. Tornado Alley Turbo has a similar kit for the C177RG but have thus far been unwilling to do a Mooney version. It is also $40k+, I believe, so there won't be much demand from our crowd at that price. Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk What was her reason for not selling to you? Quote
KSMooniac Posted January 30, 2018 Report Posted January 30, 2018 What was her reason for not selling to you? She just changed her mind right before closing. I don't know if it was some sort of emotional attachment to her husband's last project, or illusion that it was worth more than what we agreed to. No reason was given, just a letter from her agent.Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk 1 Quote
Mcstealth Posted January 31, 2018 Report Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/29/2018 at 9:54 PM, KSMooniac said: She just changed her mind right before closing. I don't know if it was some sort of emotional attachment to her husband's last project, or illusion that it was worth more than what we agreed to. No reason was given, just a letter from her agent. Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk Sad to say the least. Quote
KSMooniac Posted January 31, 2018 Report Posted January 31, 2018 Indeed...another orphaned STC that had some value left.Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk Quote
RobertGary1 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Posted February 2, 2018 On 1/17/2018 at 1:33 PM, peevee said: Market for a nice j is stronger than a nice k. Be a lot cheaper to sell and buy a k Depending on the state. If you have to pay the state 10% of the cost of the new K it changes the equation. -Robert Quote
Peter T Posted March 26, 2018 Report Posted March 26, 2018 Hey rxo188 I just purchased a 1993 M20J with an M20 turbo installation. Flew it from Charleston S.C. to my home base of CZBB which is pretty much Vancouver Canada. It performed flawlessly. I am in the process of getting the import and Canadian registration done. I did not necessarily want or need the turbo option because my home base is at sea level and do most of my flying below 10,000 ft. I am not unhappy with it but would consider selling it. Quote
bradp Posted March 27, 2018 Report Posted March 27, 2018 Some days I wonder if we as an organization of mooney pilots and owners (MAPA or Mooneyspace or whatever) should purchase some of these orphan STCs that are clearly valuable to a subsegment of the fleet but nobobdy else ... we’ll probably have to purchase the factory when it goes under next time anyway. 1 1 Quote
RobertGary1 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Posted March 27, 2018 Didn’t the bonanza society buy some of their orphaned stc’s? -Robert Quote
Igor_U Posted March 28, 2018 Report Posted March 28, 2018 21 hours ago, RobertGary1 said: Didn’t the bonanza society buy some of their orphaned stc’s? -Robert That would be interesting to hear, how it was done... How would someone be able to buy Modworks STCs if the company does not exist? Quote
ArtVandelay Posted March 28, 2018 Report Posted March 28, 2018 That would be interesting to hear, how it was done... How would someone be able to buy Modworks STCs if the company does not exist? You would have to research what became of the assets when they filed for bankruptcy. Otherwise they would be public domain.Just a PP, not a lawyer. 1 Quote
Peter T Posted April 10, 2018 Report Posted April 10, 2018 If you still want to turbo normalize your M20J, I can help you. Quote
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