If Garmin was smart...

[aviatoreb]

26 minutes ago, gsengle said:

What I can't understand is grown people using the teenage girl slang "hater" lol


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It's the internet - it's a forum... lol.

[gsengle]

It's still cringey lol


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[NotarPilot]

2 hours ago, PTK said:

The reason the others cry about interoperability is because they need Garmin for their boxes to work and sell. The inverse does not apply.

What is your deal with Garmin? You sound like all you drink is Garmin Kool-Aid.

[Godfather]

We get paid royalties for plugging Garmin gear...don't you?

Quick look at some retailers shows a 625/345r bundle at $8.4k. Minus the cost of the transponder gives a brand new waas panel mount for $4k. Gotta love that pricing!

[jetdriven]

35 minutes ago, Godfather said:

We get paid royalties for plugging Garmin gear...don't you?

Quick look at some retailers shows a 625/345r bundle at $8.4k. Minus the cost of the transponder gives a brand new waas panel mount for $4k. Gotta love that pricing!

I haven't seen pricing near that. My GTX-345r is 4600$ plus install, for example. 

[Godfather]

17 minutes ago, jetdriven said:

I haven't seen pricing near that. My GTX-345r is 4600$ plus install, for example. 

Don't think I can post a link but look at AS. However, I've found most install shops can beat or at least match their price. 

Garmin is using the 625 for the price war...wished they would add the 635 to the deals. However, I'll give them credit where it is due. 

Edited April 2, 2017 by Godfather

[Andy95W]

1 hour ago, NotarPilot said:

What is your deal with Garmin? You sound like all you drink is Garmin Kool-Aid.

Yes. That's why we call him "Peter Garmin". 

[Godfather]

Just now, Andy95W said:

Yes. That's why we call him "Peter Garmin". 

To be fair we have a growing population of avidyne disciples who like to be heard...a lot. 

[NotarPilot]

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

To be fair we have a growing population of avidyne disciples who like to be heard...a lot. 

Don't know if I'd consider myself a "Disciple" but I definitely like my dual 440s. I've spent more hours behind a 650 at work and to call the Garmin a superior product is laughable. I question if he even has one hour behind an IFD. But hey, to each his own. As long as Big G isn't taking a bunch of their followers to Guyana I see no harm in it other than to the pocketbook.

[PTK]

10 hours ago, Godfather said:

To be fair we have a growing population of avidyne disciples who like to be heard...a lot. 

And aspen ones who cry and whine about interoperability and sand in their panties and how the big bad gorilla doesn't let them play in his sandbox! They fail to realize that if they don't change their ways and become more competitive, one day the big bad gorilla is going to get tired of the whining parasites. He will swallow them whole and they won't even touch his teeth!

I can't imagine where our ga panels would be if it wasn't for Garmin! 

 

[gsxrpilot]

When my plane gets back from the avionics shop, the only Garmin product in the airplane, will be the GDL69a. And I'm only using it for Sirius music.

One of the issues I have with Garmin is their un-American business practices. I know they aren't the only ones doing this, but it still bugs me. They are a Kansas based company. I've been to the HQ in Olathe, KS. But they maintain an official HQ/Parent company in Switzerland so they don't have to pay US taxes.

I've used Garmin products for years, but I'm glad to have other products that in my mind, are superior, and allows me to move away from Garmin.

[mike_elliott]

1 hour ago, PTK said:

And aspen ones who cry and whine about interoperability and sand in their panties and how the big bad gorilla doesn't let them play in his sandbox! They fail to realize that if they don't change their ways and become more competitive, one day the big bad gorilla is going to get tired of the whining parasites. He will swallow them whole and they won't even touch his teeth!

I can't imagine where our ga panels would be if it wasn't for Garmin! 

 

I am curious why you don't have some of the other Garmin offerings in your panel other than a GTN, Peter. Heck, you are a one man evangelist crew for them. Go ahead, put your $ where your mouth is and get that G500 or GTX345 or G5 or..? After all, everyone else makes junk, right?

[Godfather]

41 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said:

When my plane gets back from the avionics shop, the only Garmin product in the airplane, will be the GDL69a. And I'm only using it for Sirius music.

No G5?  Thought your install shop was good to go with the garmin. 

[gsxrpilot]

4 minutes ago, Godfather said:

No G5?  Thought your install shop was good to go with the garmin. 

Yes, I stand corrected... If we can get one... they are all on backorder right now.

[Bennett]

Hey, I'm not bashing Avidyne, Aspen, or any other avionics firm. I am a fan or Garmin simply because all my Garmin avionics "stuff" ( GTN 750, GTN 650, AERA 796, GDL 88, FlightSteam 210, remote audio panel, remote transponder) all work seamlessly. Thanks to the FlightSteam 210, my yoke mounted Mini 4, sends data, flight plans, to and from the GTNs. The AERA 796 (panel mounted) is wired to share data (XM), while I use ADS-B weather on the other units. Traffic displays on the GTNs, and the Mini 4. Because of the smooth sharing of data I can set up the "boxes" to their best advantage. I dedicate the GTN 650 to TIS-B traffic, and VOR reception with its own Garmin display head.

 

Yes, Garmin is expensive (by comparisons to Dynon - two SkyView glass screens in my DOVA), but everything works well, and Garmin has been very helpful in resolving a few initial problems in their hardware (I had one of the first GTN 750s, and their magnetic variation tables were incorrect).

 

Compare Garmin's prompt release of announced products, software and firmware updates to Bendix/King/Allied/Honeywell and their vaporware replacement AH to drive the King line of autopilots.

 

I just like products that work well.

 

 

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[Godfather]

14 minutes ago, Bennett said:

 

Compare Garmin's prompt release of announced products, software and firmware updates to Bendix/King/Allied/Honeywell and their vaporware replacement AH to drive the King line of autopilots.

 

I think everyone has to admit that Garmin has by far the best new product release system. Keeping new products under raps until they are a month or two away from release / shipping. I have not seen the vaporware/2-3 year development cycles after announcement from Garmin. 

[KLRDMD]

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I think everyone has to admit that Garmin has by far the best new product release system. Keeping new products under raps until they are a month or two away from release / shipping. I have not seen the vaporware/2-3 year development cycles after announcement from Garmin. 

Better, I don't know. Different than Avidyne, yes. Avidyne tells you what will be coming out, Garmin keeps you completely in the dark until the last minute. It would be nice if Avidyne had a better time table for when products will actually be available but they can't control the FAA.

[jetdriven]

Avidyne blames a lot of their delays on the FAA but they had one engineer die and one had a serious medical condition and took months off, and nobody could finish the release 10.2 work. You can't run a multi million dollar company and have two key people crash the program.  Anyway FWIW I felt the avidyne IFD540 was superior but the screen is simply too small for the class of unit it is. Put the flight plan blocks on the right hand side or the regular Data blocks even, the moving map area is simply not big enough      Two more things that were deal breakers.  No auto zoom and no airspace altitude labels on the map. Avidyne could use a lot more polish on their interface as well. So we reluctantly went with big G.  But there's a reason they are selling 10 GTN-750's to every IFD540.  Part is no dealer commission. A large part is avidyne isn't there yet. Release a big screen ifd540, keep your commitments on product releases. 

Edited April 2, 2017 by jetdriven

[NotarPilot]

Just now, jetdriven said:

Avidyne blames a lot of their delays on the FAA but they had one engineer die and one had a serious medical condition and took months off, and nobody could finish the release 10.2 work. You can't run a multi million dollar company and have two key people crash the program.  Anyway FWIW I felt the avidyne IFD540 was superior but the screen is simply too small for the class of unit it is. Put the flight plan blocks on the right hand side or the regular Data blocks even, the moving map area is simply not big enough      Two more things that were deal breakers.  No auto zoom and no airspace altitude labels on the map. Avidyne could use a lot more polish on their interface as well. 

I think the issue of screen size is alleviated by the release of the IFD100 app.

[jetdriven]

You can't spend 14000$ and have to depend on a iPad app to use the unit. It's a nice addition but shouldn't be necessary. Also, how do you run foreflight and the ifd 100 app in the cockpit? Switch back and forth? Two iPads?

[Godfather]

Just now, NotarPilot said:

I think the issue of screen size is alleviated by the release of the IFD100 app.

I really like the way the avidyne units can share screen data between units but no, I don't feel an iPad app can make up for a small screen size.  I use the iPad for different forms of information and I don't like cluttered screens. Now if you are talking about mounting two iPads then I agree with you. 

[gsengle]

I really like the way the avidyne units can share screen data between units but no, I don't feel an iPad app can make up for a small screen size.  I use the iPad for different forms of information and I don't like cluttered screens. Now if you are talking about mounting two iPads then I agree with you. 

I prefer the smaller screen size myself given the space available in my stack. It's not a bug it's a feature.


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[PTK]

Here's another great screen feature. This is very important with the typical viewing distances in the cockpit. A higher resolution sharper picture reduces eye strain by making screen  smoother and easier to read.

The 540 display is 4.75" x 3.5" and 307000 pixels with a 5.7" diagonal. The GTN750 is 5.27"x 4.46", 6.9" diagonal and 425000 pixels. (Aspen resolution is similar to IFD at 304000 pixels.)

The GTN presents a bigger screen and a whopping 30% higher resolution than the IFD. 

Advantage: GTN!

 

[gsengle]

Here's another great screen feature. This is very important with the typical viewing distances in the cockpit. A higher resolution sharper picture reduces eye strain by making screen  smoother and easier to read.
The 540 display is 4.75" x 3.5" and 307000 pixels with a 5.7" diagonal. The GTN750 is 5.27"x 4.46", 6.9" diagonal and 425000 pixels. (Aspen resolution is similar to IFD at 304000 pixels.)
The GTN presents a bigger screen and a whopping 30% higher resolution than the IFD. 
Advantage: GTN!
 

Takes up too much room in the stack and the graphics don't use the screen space efficiently at times. Feels like consumer grade UI at times.

Size isn't always a plus.


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[NotarPilot]

10 hours ago, gsengle said:

Size isn't always a plus.
 

 

I keep telling my wife this.