Aspen EFD1000 ?s

[ArtVandelay]

I see many keep their AI, is this required? if replacing AI and HSI you eliminate the vacuum pump entirely, yes?

How does the GPSS work for you if you have an STEC 30/50? I already have STEC GPSS box which works quite well. Was it an extra charge?

Since the HSI will accept 2 VORs, is it possible to parallel the connections, so i can have a separate instrument as backup? Currently my HSI is tied to my Garmin and my 2nd radio drives a standard VOR indicator, which I like to keep but have the radio tied to the Aspen as well.

Are there any required subscriptions? Cost?

Does it provide audio alerts?

 

TIA,

[Bob_Belville]

1. The old AI must be retained as a backup. In my installation it is the only vacuum instrument.
2. I have a STEC50. The Aspen provides GPSS to the A/P from either NAV1 (GPS/VLOC) or NAV2  (VLOC) without a separate GPSS box.
3. The Aspen receives info from Both NAVs and has 3 needles to simultaneously display GPS, VLOC1, VLOC2. The old Nav head displays VLOC2 & GL.
4. There is no subscription required for the Aspen1000PRO for the functions I describe. (I pay Garmin for the GTN750 and the GPS696 for navdata and charts.) 

[Marauder]

To add more detail to Bob's message;

The PFD can display 1 HSI CDI and 2 RMI pointers. Here is a picture of what that looks like;

As Bob pointed out, you need to retain the AI, but I believe with the new FAA policy, it can be converted to an electronic one if it meets the requirements.

There are no subscriptions on the PFD but if you purchased the MFD you don't need to buy but can buy both a navigation data update and a chart subscription.

In my plane, both Aspens can be configured to run an HSI at the same time. I will do this when I fly an VOR approach that has a GPS overlay. Or in the case of an ILS, I can have one radio tuned to one HSI and the second radio tuned to the other HSI. I do not have a mechanical CDI in my plane.

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[ArtVandelay]

And the only audio alerts are for leaving, reaching an altitude? No alerts for speeds?

Bummer on keeping the AI, I'm confused, if this certified to be primary AI, I currently have only 1, seems replacing would be legal.

I assume it's connected directly to the master buss and not via avionics buss.

[gsengle]

And the only audio alerts are for leaving, reaching an altitude? No alerts for speeds?

Bummer on keeping the AI, I'm confused, if this certified to be primary AI, I currently have only 1, seems replacing would be legal.

I assume it's connected directly to the master buss and not via avionics buss.

That's the point it's not certified to be primary is my understanding....

[Marauder]

And the only audio alerts are for leaving, reaching an altitude? No alerts for speeds?

Bummer on keeping the AI, I'm confused, if this certified to be primary AI, I currently have only 1, seems replacing would be legal.

I assume it's connected directly to the master buss and not via avionics buss.

Audio alerts are for altitude only. You do get a visual alert for IAS but I find I never really need that reminder.

I don't know how the STC process worked for the Aspens but I have seen even in the Garmin G1000 equipped planes a mechanical AI on the panel.

It does seem silly but that is how the rules are written.

[Bob_Belville]

1. 41 minutes ago, teejayevans said:

    

   I assume it's connected directly to the master buss and not via avionics buss.

   In my installation - part of a new panel - there is an "Aspen Master" separate from the "Avionics Master".  

[Bob_Belville]

Hard time finding a pic of the Master/PFD/Avionics switches not blocked by the yoke. This one is out of focus but you get the idea.

[Godfather]

Probably your best option is to keep the vac system working and use the current AI as the backup.  Otherwise you need to find a battery backup AI to use for standby which will probably cost another 3k.

[ArtVandelay]

44 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Probably your best option is to keep the vac system working and use the current AI as the backup.  Otherwise you need to find a battery backup AI to use for standby which will probably cost another 3k.

There's the rub...my AI is having intermittent problems, so I had this brilliant idea just replace with Aspen...oh well. I see O/H AIs are available for less than a $1000, I'd probably go that route, or have mine overhauled.

i guess it is certified for the HSI, odd.

[Guest]

It seems stange that with a dual Aspen set up that you would still require a standby mechanical gyro.  

If the Dyon is approved as primary you don't need to keep a mechanical gyro.  What if you installed 2 Dynons, would you need the back up as with the Aspens?

Clarence

[kortopates]

It seems stange that with a dual Aspen set up that you would still require a standby mechanical gyro.  

If the Dyon is approved as primary you don't need to keep a mechanical gyro.  What if you installed 2 Dynons, would you need the back up as with the Aspens?

Clarence

But when you consider that you loose everything in the Aspen should you loose air-data (e.g. Frozen pitot tube - maybe pitot heat has failed); your second aspen won't help you either. Now what do you do without anything? But another non-aspen attitude indicator would save the day.

[carusoam]

Aspen's Peter has given the reasons what was needed for back-up. Probably in the last month or so.

The reasoning is a tad complex.  

I'll see if I can dig it up...

Best regards,

-a-

[Marauder]

It seems stange that with a dual Aspen set up that you would still require a standby mechanical gyro.   If the Dyon is approved as primary you don't need to keep a mechanical gyro.  What if you installed 2 Dynons, would you need the back up as with the Aspens?

Clarence

But when you consider that you loose everything in the Aspen should you loose air-data (e.g. Frozen pitot tube - maybe pitot heat has failed); your second aspen won't help you either. Now what do you do without anything? But another non-aspen attitude indicator would save the day.

The overall issue with this class of airplane is the limited redundancy. It doesn't matter how many Aspens, Garmin G500 or any other items you add, if there exists a single point of failure like our pitot system, they all fail. For attitude information there are options including vacuum and battery backups.

[Piloto]

2 hours ago, kortopates said:

But when you consider that you loose everything in the Aspen should you loose air-data (e.g. Frozen pitot tube - maybe pitot heat has failed); your second aspen won't help you either. Now what do you do without anything? But another non-aspen attitude indicator would save the day.

Just look out the window. A backup I always carry is my smart phone with Garmin Pilot. In the panel mode it shows altitude, heading, ground speed and turn rate. Plus of course a moving map. On occasions at altitude it shows recent radar data. I just Velcro it to the yoke and ready to fly or text. Texting is important to me too coordinate my arrival with the pick up party.

José

[ArtVandelay]

Well, it looks like Aspen has address this, sort of. They have certified their evolution as a backup, they added a bigger battery that will last 2 hrs, and can be used as a backup.

But I still don't understand why I couldn't use their new larger battery version as a primary. I don't have a certified backup for the AI today, like Piloto, i have GP on my iPad plus I have it on my iPhone.

I fly IFR on cross country trips, so I don't need to text, i have them use flightaware, they love it.

[Godfather]

I had these same questions a few months ago.  For me it was dealing with already having a backup AI (electric) without a battery backup.  I've decided to pass on the current offerings and put in the ki300 whenever certification is complete.  However, my AP requires the attitude input which cost around 3.5 amu to have this output from Garmin / Aspen.  For the 5.5 amu that the ki300 cost I'll just move it over to backup (still driving the AP) when I upgrade to the g3x certified or whatever. 

[Bob_Belville]

"Aspen Avionics' Evolution Backup Display now has an STC for installation in certified aircraft, the company announced at this week's AIrcraft Electronics Association show. The system is an independent primary flight display designed to replace traditional vacuum-driven backup instruments. The unit can provide two hours of continuous operation as an emergency backup. "If the primary cockpit EFIS system fails, transitioning to a glass backup display rather than a mechanical instrument will be much more intuitive and less stressful in emergency situations," the company says.

The basic system, which retails for $5,995, includes attitude, altitude and airspeed tapes, directional gyro, turn coordinator, VSI and GPS flight plan overlay. The advanced system at $8,995 has additional features including dual radio magnetic indicators, an HSI, localizer and glide slope indicator and emergency GPS. The system has been installed in new-production Piper aircraft over the past four years."

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/101/3290-full.html?ET=avweb:e3290:551702a:&st=email#226152

[mike_elliott]

7 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I had these same questions a few months ago.  For me it was dealing with already having a backup AI (electric) without a battery backup.  I've decided to pass on the current offerings and put in the ki300 whenever certification is complete.  However, my AP requires the attitude input which cost around 3.5 amu to have this output from Garmin / Aspen.  For the 5.5 amu that the ki300 cost I'll just move it over to backup (still driving the AP) when I upgrade to the g3x certified or whatever. 

You might wait on Garmins G5 offering, it most likely will be available and approved prior to the famous KI300 being something other than vaporware

[Godfather]

I'm curious about the difference between the new advanced $9k system and the current pro system.  Is it possible to just install the new "backup" system as primary without the need for a backup AI ( or any backup instruments ) ?

[Godfather]

Just now, mike_elliott said:

You might wait on Garmins G5 offering, it most likely will be available and approved prior to the famous KI300 being something other than vaporware

The Garmin rep was quoted saying the G5 will never make it into the certified market (I think it was on the vans forum)...even if they did they would never spend the money to certify the AI output for certified AP usage.  

[mike_elliott]

Just now, Godfather said:

The Garmin rep was quoted saying the G5 will never make it into the certified market (I think it was on the vans forum)...even if they did they would never spend the money to certify the AI output for certified AP usage.  

John Young of Garmin said to me "Just sit tight, soon" on an offering at SNF, G5 or not, don't know. Autopilot outputs unknown, as this would be a digital to analog conversion of some sorts to go backwards in time.

[Godfather]

Just now, mike_elliott said:

John Young of Garmin said to me "Just sit tight, soon" on an offering at SNF, G5 or not, don't know. Autopilot outputs unknown, as this would be a digital to analog conversion of some sorts to go backwards in time.

I agree about the backwards in time but I personally believe the KFC 225 is the best AP available in a Mooney (or any other single piston plane) minus the Garmin 700 AP connected to a waas G1000.  

[ArtVandelay]

17 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I'm curious about the difference between the new advanced $9k system and the current pro system.  Is it possible to just install the new "backup" system as primary without the need for a backup AI ( or any backup instruments ) ?

You and me both!  And for those who already have the current system, it appears the only difference is a bigger battery, wonder if they will provide an upgrade path?

I have STEC, do I don't need AI, if lose the AI, HSI, vacuum pump and electric backup pump...i might be able to drop my empty weight below factory published 

[Bob_Belville]

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

I'm curious about the difference between the new advanced $9k system and the current pro system.  Is it possible to just install the new "backup" system as primary without the need for a backup AI ( or any backup instruments ) ?

The Avweb link details the difference between the $6000 basic backup and the $9000 full feature.