Nemesis Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 It appears that I am going to need a prop reseal. I am in the desert SW between San Diego and Yuma AZ. Does anybody have any direct knowledge of Santa Monica Propeller? Does anybody know of another prop shop in the SW part of the country? A content search did not turn up very much. Dave Quote
MB65E Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 I would trust Roy Ottosen propeller in PHX. Brian Sullivan propeller in the Bay Area. (Might not do light GA stuff anymore) Finally, American Propeller in Redding CA. I have worked with all three and have had great experiences with them. American propeller even provides a pick up service and always has room for another 2 bladed prop on their truck. Being based at SMO, I don't even use SMO propeller if that says anything. Funny, SMO propellers is not even listed on Hartzell's webpage anymore... Best, -Matt Quote
Nemesis Posted February 9, 2016 Author Report Posted February 9, 2016 If Cody happens to see this topic... Cody, this is a McCauley 2 blade on a 231 with a TSIO-360LB. The hub is a 2A34C216 and the blades are 90DHB-16E. I saw your responses about the S model in the Modern Mooney Forum. The fluid coming out of my prop is not red. It looks more like darkened engine oil. I am at the very end of this oil change cycle with about 27 hours on the oil. Does this hub use engine oil for lubrication? Is that different from other McCauley models? I have a spattering of oil on the windscreen (how I first noticed), and on the cowl. There is a bit of buildup inside the spinner. The blade in the photos has the worst streaking. There is no oil inside the cowl. Matt, thanks for recommendations. If American has a pickup service and is equal to the others in performance, that is a huge bonus for me. Dave Quote
Yetti Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 I vote grease leaking from the blade seals. There is also an o ring between the prop and the crankshaft. How many hours since been looked at? Quote
Nemesis Posted February 9, 2016 Author Report Posted February 9, 2016 The last time that I see that the prop was touched was in Mid 2004 and some 1500 hours ago. I have no problem with that. This prop has certainly given good service. I just want to give the prop shop the correct direction to proceed (read - most cost effective). Given that there is no streaking on the cowl, only spattering, I also was thinking grease instead of oil. However, there are no zerks on this hub so there is no real service for this hub other than inspection. Once again begs the question, is this hub lubricated with engine oil? As far as a prop to crankshaft seal, there is no leaky oil inside the cowl. Dave Quote
Yetti Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 I suggest you are asking for a reseal. Be sure to check with the shop before you drop off. Some will only do overhauls based on time or age. Quote
Cody Stallings Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Nemesis, your Propeller is not a oil filled model. What you are seeing is broken down grease. The blade ORings have finally checked out on ya. Looks like there might be a touch of engine oil in one of the pics, which is a sign of another Oring breaking down, letting engine oil inside the hub. A basic re-seal would fix you right up. 6yr/2000Hr TBO, I would say you got a good run out of it. FYI!! Some shops will not Reseal a prop outside of its TBO. Two of them are named ⬆️ If you have any question feel free to call Shop 870-208-8882 Cell. 870-208-5198 Quote
Cody Stallings Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Missed a question, Sorry. Your prop does not use engine oil for lubrication, but engine oil actuates your propeller via the pitchchange Rod through the middle of your propeller. The blade bearing lubrication is grease. A liberal amount of grease is applied to your bearings during assembly only. After return to service the propeller can not be serviced do to it not being designed with grease fitting provisions. But the McCauleys do a pretty good job holding the grease in for long durations of time. 1 Quote
Cody Stallings Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Before the hydraulic unit is installed the propeller hub is wide open. You will notice the two cutouts in the hub inline with the blades. That's where the grease is introduced while spinning the blade in the hub. Quote
carqwik Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 I had a good experience with Stockton Propeller.(Stockton, CA)..did a complete O/H after mine was spitting grease. If you're going to have to ship your prop, might as well pick the best shop... Quote
carusoam Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Cody, thanks for the complete detailed answers with supporting photographs. I am more educated about prop things I didn't even know existed before. With the photos, I have a chance of actually remembering these details for a while. I'll still be coming to you with questions when I see red dye spread across my cowl. Best regards, -a- Quote
kortopates Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Dave, I used Santa Monica Propeller when my prop was leaking oil a couple years ago. They picked it up here in San Diego and returned it about a week later. I sent them my governor too. I was very pleased with their service. I forget how many years I had on mine but it was about the same as yours. SMO is one of the shops that would not just re-seal a prop past TBO but as I called around I learned that more common than not. I was also surprised that they found enough corrosion in mine that they had to replace some hub parts - I was way past a prop-reseal. But from what I recall, both SMO and Redding send their truck to SD and you aren't that much further away. After Matt's comments that could very well scare you off from SMO but I was very pleased with the service and at the time I drew the conclusion that both Redding and SMO would do the equivalent job at the same cost but SMO could get it done a week or so faster and that why I ended up going with them. I've gotten good service from Redding too - they do a lot more than just props up there, but that's all SMO does. I suggest you call them both about truck service and get a better idea of your options. After 10 years though I really doubt you'll get away with just a reseal. BTW, while I had my prop off I replaced the crankshaft seal since the access was so good and the seal is pretty cheap. Both are doing great. Edited February 10, 2016 by kortopates Quote
kerry Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 I sent my prop to Precision Propeller Service in Boise Idaho to be OH'd. Precision told me the blades were toast because the shop that did the last OH did not shot peen the blades correctly. According to my logs that shop was Santa Monica Propeller. 1 Quote
Yetti Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 Could that be a hub to shot peen? on my prop they shot peened the hub. It was interesting because with all the oil field stuff in Houston they still had to send it out to another vendor to another town to get it done. shot peening the blades would make them not so smooth. Quote
Cody Stallings Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 I belive he is talking about the shotpeening of the knobs on the end of the blades. Those are inside the hub. Hartzell starts shotpeening Airfoils on applications 750HP an above. Turbo-Props Quote
jetdriven Posted February 10, 2016 Report Posted February 10, 2016 19 hours ago, Cody Stallings said: Missed a question, Sorry. Your prop does not use engine oil for lubrication, but engine oil actuates your propeller via the pitchchange Rod through the middle of your propeller. The blade bearing lubrication is grease. A liberal amount of grease is applied to your bearings during assembly only. After return to service the propeller can not be serviced do to it not being designed with grease fitting provisions. But the McCauleys do a pretty good job holding the grease in for long durations of time. Does the McCauley C214 prop on the 201 use the red dye in the hub? Quote
Cody Stallings Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 No Sir. The C214 is Grease Lubricated Quote
Yetti Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 It is good to have real experts come on here and provide expert advice Quote
1964-M20E Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 Cody Do y'all do governors too? I looked on you site and didn't see anything mentioned. Quote
Cody Stallings Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 No Sir. We only service propellers at this time. In the future I would really like to get a Gov test bench so I could offer that service too. I send my customers Govs to Southcoast Propeller in Alabama. Jimmy Gaither is a real good guy to work with. Quote
1964-M20E Posted February 11, 2016 Report Posted February 11, 2016 Just now, Cody Stallings said: No Sir. We only service propellers at this time. In the future I would really like to get a Gov test bench so I could offer that service too. I send my customers Govs to Southcoast Propeller in Alabama. Jimmy Gaither is a real good guy to work with. thx Quote
StinkBug Posted February 13, 2016 Report Posted February 13, 2016 On 2/11/2016 at 9:35 AM, Yetti said: It is good to have real experts come on here and provide expert advice Yes. Very nice. Thanks Cody. Quote
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