yvesg Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a19202/heres-how-f-15s-practice-intercept-procedures-for-the-super-bowl/ Cessna's will be in check. No fouling around. Yves Quote
Awful_Charlie Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Ah yes.... Edited February 5, 2016 by Awful_Charlie 2 Quote
DAVIDWH Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Really not so bad. A friend of mine was intercepted a few years ago. He just rocked his wings and gave the middle finger (while laughing) to the air force pilot. The intercepting pilot laughed back, waved and rolled away never to be seen again. Not even a phone # to call. How things have changed. Quote
steingar Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Security theatre at its finest. Welcome to Amerika. Not certain who won, but I know who lost. Us. Quote
1964-M20E Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 They should have used a Mooney the F-15 could stay flying instead of falling from the sky. That would be neat to do have an F-15, 22 or 35 come by and practice intercepts. Quote
kpaul Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 I have been intercepted by the Dutch Air Force, it's interesting to say the least. Quote
Hank Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, 1964-M20E said: They should have used a Mooney the F-15 could stay flying instead of falling from the sky. Yeah, I wondered about that myself. Looked like it was beginning to stall. If that's what happens with a 182, what will the Eagle look like trying to fly beside a 172, Grumman or Commander (to say nothing of a 152, Champ, etc.)? Of course, he could always crank in some more power and just circle around it! Quote
carusoam Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 MSFS has a mission... you are an F/A-18 pilot. Your mission is to intercept a Cessna caravan doing Sightseeing flights at 1000' agl. The challenge is to get down, slow down, fly in close formation, and keep the engines from stalling before the plane does... Then don't run out of time or you have to start over... Doing this with an F-15 in real life,. That looks as uncomfortable in real life as my sim experience did. Microsoft Flight Simulator is now available on line for very few dollars. It is licensed by a company call Steam. So it is called the Steam edition. Not to be confused with the old steam gauge edition... Best regards, -a- Quote
steingar Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Seems to me the military has lots of helicopters that might be a tad more suitable for this mission. 1 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 I just herd a news story that said the FAA had authorized "deadly force" to stop drones! At the super bowl. Sense when does the FAA use deadly force? Does that mean they will shoot down the drones, or find and shoot the operator? How about a 50 cal right through the Sky Cam! When I first bought my plane I used to form up with the banner towers over Mile High Stadium and watch the game. Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 When I was a young buck, before I learned to fly, I worked for the county radio shop. I was driveing around wasting county gas out west of town and saw an F15 from Luke having a dog fight with a crop duster! If the spray plane had guns, the F15 would be a smoking hole. 1 Quote
irishpilot Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 It's all about speed and geometry for intercepts. Although a helicopter can fly slow, it can't intercept as well when not high aspect. Any modern fighter can fly Cessna speeds with flaps down while their wingman keeps a tactical airspeed. As long as folks check the status of TFRs, they won't have to worry about getting intercepted. 2 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Being the snarky SOB that I am, I always figured that if I was ever intercepted I would, as a courtesy, slow to minimum controllable speed. BTW, I'm sitting at a bar in the C Concorse of PDX waiting for someone else to drive me home... Edited February 5, 2016 by N201MKTurbo Quote
ArtVandelay Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 I've seen this, it's amazing how they can slow flight a F15, the 2nd F15 stays above just in case. Quote
Yetti Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 So ignoring Posse Comitatus. Where do the bullets land when they fire off rounds at a drone? For that matter where does the c172 parts land after getting hit by a sidewinder? It's a 32 mile TFR how long does it take to get across it going supersonic? And who is watching the airspace while the decoy plane is being escorted to land? And did they plane for a Japanese Balloon type attack? Security theater with emphasis on theater Quote
Yetti Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 OH and who is watching the TFR while they are refueling? If you point a cop radar gun at the F-15 will it set off the laser lock alerts? Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 4 hours ago, Yetti said: OH and who is watching the TFR while they are refueling? If you point a cop radar gun at the F-15 will it set off the laser lock alerts? Probably not. Speed radar is CW Doppler, a fighter planes radar will tighten its sweep angle and speed, this is how they can tell if an enemy is locked on. Quote
HRM Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Few things scare me more in the air than a 20-something in a multi-million-dollar-high-performance-state-of-the-art US military aircraft. While touring the USS Lexington yesterday I was blown away by Ensign Smith or some such label on the side of a fighter on the flight deck. Good grief, when I was a butterbar I barely knew my a** from a hole in the ground. Now that I am a sixty-something old fart I find that I have come full-circle Lastly, to our enemies--be afraid, be very afraid. Quote
Guest Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 A multi million or billion dollar jet will never stop a committed suicide bomber. That takes boots on the ground. Clarence Quote
Awful_Charlie Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Sort of reminds me of this Quote
HRM Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 22 minutes ago, M20Doc said: A multi million or billion dollar jet will never stop a committed suicide bomber. That takes boots on the ground. Clarence Yes, jets are for air targets. Don't forget all those twenty-somethings in the boots. BTDT Quote
mike_elliott Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 16 hours ago, irishpilot said: As long as folks check the status of TFRs, they won't have to worry about getting intercepted. Its those pesky mobile TFR's that cannot be announced for some self serving important reason security reasons before hand that are tough.. Quote
Yetti Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 I would think a C172 at 50-100 AGL could go where ever it wanted to Quote
Shadrach Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 32 minutes ago, Yetti said: I would think a C172 at 50-100 AGL could go where ever it wanted to We know that a gyrocopter certainly can... Quote
bonal Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 The TFR is now and it's really large much bigger than regular season games and I think even those for the POTUS when he comes looking to raise funds. And all of the controlled fields are requiring that you make landing reservations even outside of the TFR and that has been for a few days now. They have to make space for all the jets that are here for the show. I wonder how many corp and private kerosene burners are here today. Quote
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