peevee Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Does this happen to be a common problem? We have some cracks in the plastic around the windscreen, it's unsightly but I don't know who to see about it, I'm assuming that whole piece would need to be replaced. I forgot to get closeup pics but it's right around the circled area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB65E Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 I'm thinking you mean on the outside vs the inside. However, I don't think the outside is plastic. Edges near windscreens are common problem for all aircraft. It's the expansion rates between the different materials in the glass, metal, and paint. Most paint shops should be able to address the stress cracks. It will most likely reappear if it's not taken all the way down to the bare metal, or fiberglass. Sand it all the way down to the bare material, fill as required possibly with more flex in the filler and paint. -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Sorry, yes on the outside. It's definitely plastic of some kind, about 1/8" thick. I'll get better pics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 It may well be PRC sealant used as a fillet from the metal skin to the windshield. In some cases this is then painted, which then chips off. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrwilson Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Is it an aftermarket 201 style windshield? Maybe a plastic strip from that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 As far as I know it's the original 231 windshield. I'll have to get pics and revisit later since it sounds like an odd problem, I forgot today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M20F-1968 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 On the outside I doubt very much this is either plastic or fiberglass. You could purchase new aluminum parts and back/match drill but it would be a real pain in the aXX. Fiberglass could be patched if it is indeed fiberglass. Repair of plastic would most likely break/crack again if it is plastic. Some plastics can be cut in small pieces and dissolved in MEK. You then use the thick slurry to melt/weld the old plastic together. John Breda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 No way it's metal, some sort of plastic or something, I really can't tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 It looks like Body Filler. There was a mod shop several years ago that used it to smooth in around the front window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 It looks like Body Filler. There was a mod shop several years ago that used it to smooth in around the front window. it definitely isn't filler, that would flake and fall off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTex Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'd check the logbooks to see of Modworks installed the windshield. As was mentioned earlier, they used bondo like prodcuts extensively around the windshield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 From the factory that entire area is only aluminum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I saw one of their windshields that they had filled in over the retaining strip. I felt sorry for anyone who ever had to change out the window. It was pretty thick and the rivets were buried under the filler. It would have had to been chiseled off by hand to change the window. Not to mention the repainting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 How far away is your nearest MSC? Mooney has made some parts from resin/fiberglass. Wing tips and cowls come to mind. There is no glass fiber in your photos. Can you confirm the year and model of your plane? Best regards, -a- +1 check your logs for maintenance in that area... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 How far away is your nearest MSC? Mooney has made some parts from resin/fiberglass. Wing tips and cowls come to mind. There is no glass fiber in your photos. Can you confirm the year and model of your plane? Best regards, -a- +1 check your logs for maintenance in that area... it's a 1980 /K the cowl is definitely glass or resin, I suspect this is some kind of resin also. I'll dig through the logs. It wasn't painted all that long ago so it shouldn't be hard to find. Whatever it is does cover the rivets, it's completely smooth around the windshield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Did it get a 262 'upgrade' Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Did it get a 262 'upgrade' Best regards, -a- Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB65E Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Intresting!! That looks like High Speed Aerodynamic Filler. Lol. At work, our CJ looked like that before we refinished it. It was nasty around the cabin door and windscreens where Cessna loaded the filler on. The new fillers are pretty good for most under 1/16". That looks pretty thick. -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARZ Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'm betting filler - I don't see any rivets - the true test is whether you can see into the cabin through the crack or if there's aluminum under there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'm betting filler - I don't see any rivets - the true test is whether you can see into the cabin through the crack or if there's aluminum under there. no, there's something there. Guess that's why the MSC didn't care about it at annual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 peevee, I also have a 1980 K model and that piece on mine is a strip of aluminum with flush rivets visible in the paint. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 peevee, I also have a 1980 K model and that piece on mine is a strip of aluminum with flush rivets visible in the paint. Dave well, now I'm even more confused. Maybe I'll meet another 231 somewhere and look at theirs and see I guess. Or just fly it and not worry. Probably the latter, it's cheapest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Some call it "aerodynamic filler" Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 It is bondo just like Mike said. No question about it. Some of the more infamous mod shops used to love that stuff and glob it on. Looks pretty at first. A real pain in the arse down range. It is not an airworthiness issue, if that is any consolation. It did not come from the factory that way. That, I am sure of. It's some kind of plastic, but I don't think it's bondo, it's brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 The bondo brand is reddish brown color, but there are other brands that are different colors. Some just refer to them generically as Bondo regardless of the manufacturer. Google lightweight body filler and you will find several manufactures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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