scottfromiowa Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 There is a new listing on Ebay right now. 1967 F with nice speed mods and recent interior. Mid-time engine. Very nice panel (STEC60 and two kx155's) as well as bladders...If I was in the market I would be interested in this one. Scott Did I mention J-Bar?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerobat95 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Seems nice enough...what are your thoughts on the #2 Cylinder? Also only 145kts with all those speed mods? Other than that seems like a really nice bird. I wonder how purchasing an aircraft on ebay would workout....prebuy then bid/buy it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 It's NOT a J. I think that is about right. My compressions (400 hours since major) vary from year to year at annual. If you add every knot that all speed mods are supposed to add you would be 200 knots in cruise....J's DON'T do 200 knots. I think anytime you are getting 140-160 knots you are doing well...REALLY WELL in a pre-j airframe. Especially compared to brand C & P. I need to go up and do speed runs at different altitudes to really see what my plane REALLY does...but that is just on that day for temp...so it's just a representative number that vary's based on winds, altitude flown temps and fuel flow...but I have never done this. Now that I know some E's can do 160 knots I want to see where I am. My plane has lower cowl closure, landing light plexi, 201 windshield, overlapping K doors, Fiberglass belly. No gap/flap seals of any kind or vertical stab fairing...Brake rotation at annual with complete brake re-do and rubber replacement. I think this is a really nice F Model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerobat95 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 From the sounds of it...it sounds friggin awesome. I will have to see if you have any pics posted of it. Do you like the fiberglass belly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerobat95 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 How does one go about putting yokes like yours in a older plane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 145 knots sounds about right on a modded F, and of course we have no idea what power setting, altitude, or temp yielded that speed. If that was a recent data point in the summer in the desert, then it might do 150 knots in cooler weather. Aside from the bladders, that looks like a very, very nice candidate to me. Johnson bar gear, great cosmetics, standard 6-pack, expensive autopilot, engine monitor, etc. It really needs a 430W to replace one of the nav/coms and then it would be well-suited to modern IFR XC work. The bladders are the biggest knock IMO especially since they reduced fuel capacity in this instance. The extra bags could be added to restore capacity to 64 gallons, but at a further hit on the useful load. Few airplanes are actually "sold" on ebay. ebay is a cheap/efficient way to advertise a plane to a wide audience, and if someone is silly enough to hit the buy button, well, it happens. More likely someone will see the listing, call, and start working a deal in a conventional manner. I fully expect the listing will just run out the clock... 67/80 isn't a huge deal on that cylinder as the compression readings will vary depending on who/how they are accomplished. Worst case, the jug can be reworked for a few hundred bucks if it is leaking past a valve or something, or replaced for $2k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 One more nice thing about that plane...it appears to have the removable rear seats instead of the fixed bench! That is very, very nice too for the older planes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgePerry Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Quote: KSMooniac The bladders are the biggest knock IMO especially since they reduced fuel capacity in this instance. The extra bags could be added to restore capacity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Thats why I added the "IMO" George. Aerobat95 is a new serious Mooney shopper and likely hasn't read the last couple knock-down/drag-outs we've had on the subject...so we should let him know it is a point of debate and he can go search on the topic to get fully informed on the pros and cons. The ebay F could have 1000+ useful load and 64 gallons of capacity, but it doesn't. It likely doesn't leak either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Quote: KSMooniac Thats why I added the "IMO" George. Aerobat95 is a new serious Mooney shopper and likely hasn't read the last couple knock-down/drag-outs we've had on the subject...so we should let him know it is a point of debate and he can go search on the topic to get fully informed on the pros and cons. The ebay F could have 1000+ useful load and 64 gallons of capacity, but it doesn't. It likely doesn't leak either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Thanks Aerobat...Just find the yokes and control shafts and "pop 'em in". They are tough to find. I was VERY fortunate and got my yokes and shafts for under 300 bucks...I saw a salvage company listing a lot of Mooney stuff and called him to ask...he said 300 for yokes, but then said I am only going to charge you 200 as they are pretty beat up...Couldn't pay him FAST ENOUGH! One of the few bargains among many "SURPRISE" events in 9 years of ownership and continuous improvement. It cost $50 to powder coat them both... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 My MECHANIC likes the fiberglass belly. Saves $ and time vs. 100+ screws to remove. Off in a couple of minutes exposing majority of belly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 At least it doesn't have a 3-blade prop...just kidding like bladders we needn't go down that street again for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Is that aftermarket electric trim (left side of pilots yoke)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flight2000 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Well, it wasn't up for very long, so the advertising on eBay must have worked. I'd have to agree that it was a nice looking bird for $60K. Lots of mods and upgrades a new owner wouldn't have to work through other than possibly a GPS. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flight2000 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Quote: scottfromiowa My MECHANIC likes the fiberglass belly. Saves $ and time vs. 100+ screws to remove. Off in a couple of minutes exposing majority of belly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted August 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 I leave that inspect'n up to my A&P...$68/month at a class C airport...I can live with a little "gunk" & gravel... Yes, it appears that the F came...and went in a flash. So Mooney-like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 The really good planes don't sit on the market for very long. It would be nice to if it sold for $60k or something else... For those that are shopping, figure out what you want as well as a sliding scale of "wants" versus "must-haves" and assign a value to each so you can quickly judge a candidate plane. Ones that are turn-key or very close to it will not wait around for you to waffle, so you need to be prepared to pounce with a deposit and purchase agreement that calls for a PPI with a Mooney-savvy mechanic. Also have cash and/or financing ready to go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newguy Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 is this f still available? gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Quote: Newguy is this f still available? gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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