Mooney M10

[KSMooniac]

I saw a drawing of the new M10J and I was a little disappointed in that they got away from the gear design on the M20 series.  I suspect they'll be changing the airfoil as well. Mooney_M10J_2718E5B0-69F3-11E4-85D102FF294B0342.jpg

 

Neither of those are especially bad.  Let's see how it all plays out.

[BigTex]

Agreed... Just seems to me they paid a lot of money to a design company to take a SR20/22 and put a Mooney tail on it. But as you said, we all should keep and open mind and see how it all plays out.

[smccray]

Here are a few interior type shots of the M10

 

The designers did a nice job with the plane, but I'm not sure bout the layout.  It looks like the gear handle and the flaps switch are both right in front of the throttle.  Someone needs to tell the designers to move those two switches away from each other.  I like that the Mooney flap switch is low and the gear switch is high.  I'm fortunate that I've never thought about moving flaps but reached for the gear.  

[N9453V]

As much as I prefer metal airplanes, with the 4000+ hours of labor, they just can't build a metal Mooney at a price point that makes sense for the training and entry level market. When I look at the M10, I see a lot in common with the M20 and I see it as a great way to attract new pilots who may train in the M10 and then buy an M20. Cessna doesn't make a lot of money selling 172's, but pilots who train in a 172 may some day buy a Caravan or a Citation since they know and trust the Cessna brand. They aren't going to make everyone happy, but I'd much rather see Mooney building and selling both M10's and M20's than go back to a mothballed factory with 11 employees keeping it going.

 

-Andrew

[drmarkflies]

This whole China connection is blowing my mind. Have you seen Mooney's new path to bankruptcy?  Meet the Mooney Billionaire Club. I wonder if they will let an M10 land here?

 

 

http://www.mooneyworldwide.com/

 

[flyboy0681]

This whole China connection is blowing my mind. Have you seen Mooney's new path to bankruptcy?  Meet the Mooney Billionaire Club. I wonder if they will let an M10 land here?

 

 

http://www.mooneyworldwide.com/

 

Want to buy a bridge with that?

[Jeff_S]

In conversation yesterday at the NC Mountain fly-in, a compatriot said that he was told by Jerry Chen at OSH that the target price for the M10T was in the $400K range.  I would presume this has to come down considerably if they hope to sell many trainers, unless that's just a "rack rate" prior to discounts to big Chinese flight schools. At any rate, we all know that clean-sheet designs and specs change quite a bit from conception to reality, so we just need to see how this plays out.

 

We all have a vested interest in Mooney's long-term success.

[KSMooniac]

FWIW, it will cost will north of $100 million to get a clean sheet GA plane certified these days, and that doesn't include getting the production certificate to be able to deliver them easily. It takes a long time to recoup those costs delivering a few dozen planes a year...

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[alex]

NOPE! That is a mini-Cirrus....

[Piloto]

I dont know. I dont like it, doesnt look like a Mooney to me besides the tail. Looks more like a cirrus to me.

 

Looks more like the offspring of a Mooney and a Cirrus. Oh well, it happens.

 

But, but no parachute.

 

José

[NotarPilot]

I think with the advent of CAD use in the design of aircraft it shouldn't be a surprise when newer designs start to resemble one another when they aim for similar performance numbers. Look at a DA-40 next to an SR-20 or 22 and they share a slight resemblance.

You see a similar phenomenon with large transport helicopter designs with the Agusta Westland 139 and new Bell 525, in development, as an example. I'm not saying they look like each other but you can see certain features that look similar between the two models.

[flyboy0681]

I think with the advent of CAD use in the design of aircraft it shouldn't be a surprise when newer designs start to resemble one another when they aim for similar performance numbers.

 

 

Form follows function.

[Hank]

I often need to read the writing to tell new cars apart. At least the M10 still has a Mooney-shaped but non-functional tail . . .

[Seth]

Just saw the ad in AOPA Pilot with the both Mooney's flying (a new Acclaim and the new M10J). The M10J is obviously not an actual picture as they are not flying yet.

I was flying with a fellow MooneySpace member yesterday and we spoke about the M10. It keeps the factory and company alive which is good for us.

How often do we use the 3rd seat? This will be one of two three seat aircraft I know of on the market. A true niche. Less insurance as less seats, half the fuel load thanks to the JetA sipping diesel, and power at altitude. Really, that may make a great plane for me in 20 years to go with a share in a cabin class twin or single engine turboprop. I'm hoping they sell well internationally and keep the factory producing.

Flight schools often have three in the airplane. A trainee under the hood, a safety pilot, and an instructor logging instructing time in the back seat. Three pilots getting PIC time. Take out the fourth seat, lower the fuel cost, now you've got a flight training machine and personal transportation vehicle for the soon to be booming Chinease markets and a competitor for US flight schools.

I get it.

Acquisition price? I still like my Missile for now. Worried about 100LL, but for now feel a drop in replacement will be made available. At what cost however is the question.

-Seth