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And my Aunt was one of the Rosie's welding those hulls

For the record I was one of the people that ILC was having disagreements with and as a matter of fact we exchanged a few very informative and friendly messages between us. I commented that I really appreciate his impact and experience even though we don't see eye to eye. He was always respectful and I hope he logs in again and reads the comments of support for his contributions to this forum. We all have unique styles I know I rub a lot of you the wrong way but hey how much fun would it be if we were all alike, kind of boring if you ask me.

Sometimes I get the impression you just don't like me...

Ok so I'm no expert as some have pointed out having said that please bare with me as I'm unaware of how max gross weight is determined. I keep seeing this stall speed of 59 knots being referenced is this a requirement for certified airplanes to be no higher than this number. And if so is it the main specification that sets the max gross for any single engine type. If so and since the number one reason people site for Mooney design issues is insufficient useful load. Would it be possible to re engineer the flaps which most agree are somewhat ineffective and perhaps go with a fowler design which if I'm not mistaken adds square footage to the wing area. If my premise is correct about stall speed driving max weight seems the easiest way to improve GW would be to lower stall speed. If my premise is flawed then please forget I brought it up other than to inform me how max gross is determined.

Might as well just lock this thread up now and save a lot of bickering...

First thing I would do is repeat the experiment to verify the results. Could possibly be you flew into a temperature inversion. Had that happen once and was like flying up into a giant marshmallow. In our C With full fuel and two on board even in hot weather not ever below 500fpm at cruise climb of 120mph in stable air. Don't know if you get downdrafts in clear weather in Florida but very common flying out west. Your performance should be better than our C so try it again see if it still climbs so poorly before you start searching for mechanics that may be the issue. Good luck

Are there any hotels even accepting reservations yet in Oregon

More than a little,. Dad was a tank Sargent under Patton and fought in the battle of the bulge and liberated the Jewish slaves at the camps when no one knew about what was really going on. He never talked about it. mom lost her first husband in a b24 over ploesti. My uncle flew PBY's and my aunt welded those Liberty ships in Valejo. Greatest number of lives lost was the with 8th Airforce doing daylight missions to improve accuracy and minimize collateral damage. While the British were flying under the cloak of darkness. It took a great coalition of nations to put an end to that terrible war and if the separatists had kept us out I do believe Europe would look a whole lot different today.

We took our 150 to 11500 on a trip to Quincy two on board with some overnight bags and only about ten gallons under full by the time we reached that altitude . The mountains around the airport there are around 7k feet and I wanted to be as high as possible when crossing them. Once we had the field in sight I had to lose about 8k feet with the field only about five miles out. Learned a lot about flight profiles that day very early in my private pilot experience. I think when I leveled off we were still getting over a hundred feet per minute. Interesting that is as high as I've ever taken our C.

Cirrus has marketed a life style and Mooney was talking to themselves. Go to where the money is people that have shit loads just need a little help in finding ways to spend it.

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Not sure if your referring to me but I don't recall anyone comparing a C to a 22t. But most folks on MS do think I'm a bit nuts so easy to draw that conclusion. Please advise the group of an airplane that can do what a Mooney C or E can and can be had for under 50 to 60 grand for a real nice example. Or for that matter a decent example that can perform as well as a C for under 40 grand. What's the current market value of a used SR20.

Love this analysis

Classic hit and run, some people like to trash our beloved brand. I'm happy for those that can afford an airplane that costs over 200k used and much more for a new model. Personally I'm thankful that there are short body's that normal middle class people can afford. 2 plus 2 seater with one thousand useful load that can fly 140 to 155 knots C/E respectively with a 600 mile range. If it weren't for the used market and to some extent experimental there would likely be no GA outside of business and commercial planes. When comparing knots to dollars nothing touches a vintage Mooney.

Actually this is not correct he is mandating wearing masks "outdoors" in public spaces when distancing is not possible there are exceptions but we are going backwards. You have just entered the twilight zone

The air coup looks like fun not sure what they sell for. Low cost for putting around I would look for an early C150 straight tail. No spin restrictions. My 150 used less than 5 GPH and landing at just under stall with the 40 degree fowler flaps could get it stopped in a couple hundred feet. Two doors imagine that. Used to bank past 60 degrees. It was just fun to fly.

I wonder how much you would notice the difference in noise as we are all wearing the latest in active noise cancellation. Also, our C with original windshield and avionics access panels had to spend some time in the elements while we were in search of a hangar and with a proper cover never had an issue with water entering the cabin or behind the panel. If you ask your AP IA or avionics mech I'm sure they would prefer the access panels I know mine do. They do look faster and that is subjective of course but may actually give you a few more knots. People always complain rightly or wrongly that Mooneys are tight to work on does it really make sense to take away the one place that access is actually very good to an area that houses equipment that can be considered high maintenance items.

Took a short hop to Nut Tree today nice to get Snoopy out of the hangar. As we flew over lake Berryessa there were lots of boats out on the water. Kind of strange since every time we have flown over since they kicked off all the permanent residents in the different resorts it's never more than a handful of boats even on a holiday. I guess since most things round here are still under lockdown people need to get out and do something. Good to see. Fuel at the tree was only 3.50 not bad for California. On the way home saw what looked like a brush fire just getting started wasn't there on the trip down so got hold of Travis approach and gave them a report on the location. Didn't see any Calfire planes or helo's in the area and looked like it was just getting going. Hope it doesn't blow out. My radio was having an issue on transmitting which has happened before even though reception was clear and loud guess I'll have to look into it hope it's just dirty connections in the tray like before . Was pretty choppy on the way home and sure does slow down the speed when it's like that.

Hope you find what you're looking for and as you transition into your future twin please stay with us and share the experience. I'm sure it will provide some interesting stories.

After having ours pop open on rotation, latched not locked I always lock it if it's closed. During my private training procedure for emergency off field landing is to open PAX door. We all know it's not going to swing out and cause a problem. On one flight our PAX door wasn't closed properly and it popped open while climbing it was a non event with a return to land and close. Not an expert just saying.

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This whole situation just stinks to high heaven. I'm glad your Mooney was made whole but sadly you have not and I hope you can take the fight to those that have damaged you. I can't imagine how great you felt when you first took ownership of that beautiful airplane and how crushed you were when this happened for such a stupid careless action. Best of luck in your efforts to recover what is due you.

Not always the case. I had a stuck oil ring and was using a bit more oil than normal found the culprit by listening through the oil tube that jug was in the high seventies on compression. Also was evident by oil buildup on the lower plug but no evidence in the tail pipe in the form of burning oil. Personal experience only not an AP or IA

Another thing you might try is to use a compression tester and listen through the oil filling tube. If your getting blow by you will hear the air escape from the offending cylinder into the crank case. private pilot only not an expert on anything Good luck

Flyboy I didn't see any disrespect in your comments and if I were to have the good fortune to have recorded an emergency with such successful outcome would expect to and welcome constructive comments this is how we learn. All to often the end is tragic and there is no definitive record of events so all we can do is speculation and some folks around take shots at those that do because the facts are still pending. Don't feel bad about taking some heat some of us are used to being on the receiving end around here. I guess it's all part of not being an expert but still having the freedom to express oneself.