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That's really great news.

When I replaced the vernatherm we saw a 10 to 15 degree improvement on our C.

Unfortunately it's not an option for our C models because of Battery location. I suppose you could move the battery but I don't think there is an STC for the cooler on a C

I used to think the safe number was 47 not 46 so that was 2500 and 22 and since it's a C with only the single EGT I can only go by the lean to rough then rich to smooth so no real idea how rich of peak that is. I've only ever managed to get it to LOP once what a magical moment. I normally fly much easier like 2400 20 which yields around 135 knots but was fun to stretch it out. AI is about 2mph fast based on GPS runs. Most likely higher than 75% on those flights. For me it's all based on OAT cause Snoopy likes cold air. Biggest challenge is keeping things cool up front.

Exactly the way I took it, you were sharing an emotion of happiness as you were seeing something pretty cool with your pride and joy. Absolutely nothing to be sorry about

At 10500 WOT 2500 this calcs out to around 145 knots. Pretty amazing for 180 horsepower

Three way GPS at 8000 produced 148 knots with two on board. But 5500 yielded around 154. If I'm pushing its pretty easy to get it into the yellow arc.

Such sad news, he was such a wonderful voice here and will be truly missed. God speed

Quite true, same for us but I'm sure as you apply power you confirm all is correct and rotate at within a few knots every time. Perhaps a little later in high crosswind and I know it would be difficult to keep it down for an additional thousand feet my point is it can vary depending on conditions and pilot inputs. How quickly you add power for example. We don't know the specifics regarding OP's problematic flight.

Quite possibly true but only if you were making every effort to rotate at earliest opportunity. Depending on conditions naturally but it depends on when you decide to rotate so this number is a variable.

And my Aunt was one of the Rosie's welding those hulls

For the record I was one of the people that ILC was having disagreements with and as a matter of fact we exchanged a few very informative and friendly messages between us. I commented that I really appreciate his impact and experience even though we don't see eye to eye. He was always respectful and I hope he logs in again and reads the comments of support for his contributions to this forum. We all have unique styles I know I rub a lot of you the wrong way but hey how much fun would it be if we were all alike, kind of boring if you ask me.

Sometimes I get the impression you just don't like me...

Ok so I'm no expert as some have pointed out having said that please bare with me as I'm unaware of how max gross weight is determined. I keep seeing this stall speed of 59 knots being referenced is this a requirement for certified airplanes to be no higher than this number. And if so is it the main specification that sets the max gross for any single engine type. If so and since the number one reason people site for Mooney design issues is insufficient useful load. Would it be possible to re engineer the flaps which most agree are somewhat ineffective and perhaps go with a fowler design which if I'm not mistaken adds square footage to the wing area. If my premise is correct about stall speed driving max weight seems the easiest way to improve GW would be to lower stall speed. If my premise is flawed then please forget I brought it up other than to inform me how max gross is determined.

Might as well just lock this thread up now and save a lot of bickering...

First thing I would do is repeat the experiment to verify the results. Could possibly be you flew into a temperature inversion. Had that happen once and was like flying up into a giant marshmallow. In our C With full fuel and two on board even in hot weather not ever below 500fpm at cruise climb of 120mph in stable air. Don't know if you get downdrafts in clear weather in Florida but very common flying out west. Your performance should be better than our C so try it again see if it still climbs so poorly before you start searching for mechanics that may be the issue. Good luck

Are there any hotels even accepting reservations yet in Oregon

More than a little,. Dad was a tank Sargent under Patton and fought in the battle of the bulge and liberated the Jewish slaves at the camps when no one knew about what was really going on. He never talked about it. mom lost her first husband in a b24 over ploesti. My uncle flew PBY's and my aunt welded those Liberty ships in Valejo. Greatest number of lives lost was the with 8th Airforce doing daylight missions to improve accuracy and minimize collateral damage. While the British were flying under the cloak of darkness. It took a great coalition of nations to put an end to that terrible war and if the separatists had kept us out I do believe Europe would look a whole lot different today.

We took our 150 to 11500 on a trip to Quincy two on board with some overnight bags and only about ten gallons under full by the time we reached that altitude . The mountains around the airport there are around 7k feet and I wanted to be as high as possible when crossing them. Once we had the field in sight I had to lose about 8k feet with the field only about five miles out. Learned a lot about flight profiles that day very early in my private pilot experience. I think when I leveled off we were still getting over a hundred feet per minute. Interesting that is as high as I've ever taken our C.

Cirrus has marketed a life style and Mooney was talking to themselves. Go to where the money is people that have shit loads just need a little help in finding ways to spend it.

^this^

Not sure if your referring to me but I don't recall anyone comparing a C to a 22t. But most folks on MS do think I'm a bit nuts so easy to draw that conclusion. Please advise the group of an airplane that can do what a Mooney C or E can and can be had for under 50 to 60 grand for a real nice example. Or for that matter a decent example that can perform as well as a C for under 40 grand. What's the current market value of a used SR20.

Love this analysis

Classic hit and run, some people like to trash our beloved brand. I'm happy for those that can afford an airplane that costs over 200k used and much more for a new model. Personally I'm thankful that there are short body's that normal middle class people can afford. 2 plus 2 seater with one thousand useful load that can fly 140 to 155 knots C/E respectively with a 600 mile range. If it weren't for the used market and to some extent experimental there would likely be no GA outside of business and commercial planes. When comparing knots to dollars nothing touches a vintage Mooney.

Actually this is not correct he is mandating wearing masks "outdoors" in public spaces when distancing is not possible there are exceptions but we are going backwards. You have just entered the twilight zone