Alton Bay Bonanza crash

[GeeBee]

30 minutes ago, wombat said:

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your statement and reading it through the lens of the attitude I've gotten from others here.  If so, my apologies.  But what it sounded like you were doing was complaining about the effect on your insurance rates of those that want to "experience" these kinds of places that you don't. Your statement reminds me of the guy who says that everyone who drives slower than him is an idiot and everyone who drives faster is a maniac.

You are misinterpreting. All I am saying is the complaints about insurance rates on this very board are legion. Go ahead, do a search. Yet we are engaging in an operation in which dispatch conditions are minimal and mostly at pilots discretion, and we dispatch to places and reasons which have no plausible and reasonable explanation for the risk. Think about it. 

[Shadrach]

4 hours ago, GeeBee said:

We wonder why our hull coverage is so high.

 

Pilots have really not broken much new ground in terms of how they bend airplanes.  GA accident rates are generally trending down. 

 

[wombat]

1 hour ago, GeeBee said:

You are misinterpreting. All I am saying is the complaints about insurance rates on this very board are legion. Go ahead, do a search. Yet we are engaging in an operation in which dispatch conditions are minimal and mostly at pilots discretion, and we dispatch to places and reasons which have no plausible and reasonable explanation for the risk. Think about it. 

Oh, I know all about the complaints.   I've responded to many of the complaints the same way I'm responding to yours. 

 

Bottom line: There is no plausible and reasonable explanation for taking the risk of flying single engine piston GA at all.   It sounds like you are saying that anyone that takes more risks than you has 'no plausible and reasonable explanation for the risk' they are taking.   But you have also not provided any plausible and reasonable explanation for why you are taking the risks you do choose to take in flying a single engine piston airplane at all or anything to explain why single-engine piston airplanes the way you fly is reasonable and the way others fly is not. 

 

You are sounding more and more like the "anyone driving slower than me is an idiot, anyone driving faster than me is a maniac" type of person here.    Personally I fly because I want to.   It's a choice that I make based on the costs and benefits to me given the environment I live in.   It's not a good decision in terms of a plausible and reasonable choice other than my pleasure in doing the things I want to in my life. 

[Hank]

27 minutes ago, wombat said:

Personally I fly because I want to.  . . . my pleasure in doing the things I want to in my life. 

I fly because it's something that I always wanted to do, and discovered time, money and talent in middle age. So I'm making up for lost time!

[GeeBee]

7 hours ago, wombat said:

Oh, I know all about the complaints.   I've responded to many of the complaints the same way I'm responding to yours. 

 

Bottom line: There is no plausible and reasonable explanation for taking the risk of flying single engine piston GA at all.   It sounds like you are saying that anyone that takes more risks than you has 'no plausible and reasonable explanation for the risk' they are taking.   But you have also not provided any plausible and reasonable explanation for why you are taking the risks you do choose to take in flying a single engine piston airplane at all or anything to explain why single-engine piston airplanes the way you fly is reasonable and the way others fly is not. 

 

You are sounding more and more like the "anyone driving slower than me is an idiot, anyone driving faster than me is a maniac" type of person here.    Personally I fly because I want to.   It's a choice that I make based on the costs and benefits to me given the environment I live in.   It's not a good decision in terms of a plausible and reasonable choice other than my pleasure in doing the things I want to in my life. 

I am so glad you are putting words and thoughts out on my behalf stretching beyond all reason what I am saying. All I am saying is look at the risk that is being taken, look at the reason for that risk, look at the results, don't complain about insurance rates.

As for people driving slower or faster, I could care less, as long as you stay in the correct lane.

[A64Pilot]

10 hours ago, Shadrach said:

Pilots have really not broken much new ground in terms of how they bend airplanes.  GA accident rates are generally trending down. 

 

I think GA accident rates follow the hours flown, so unless the rate is factored against hour flown as in x number of accidents per xxxx hours flown I don’t think it’s necessarily accurate.

I’ve seen rates that factor in hours flown, but usually it’s just a number per year.

[A64Pilot]

The sad thing is a Bonanza is a very easy airplane to fly, especially to land, reduce power and they come down right away, no float. They have short wings and pretty big flaps

I think that has a lot to do with their popularity, the ease of flying, especially landing.

If I could get past the nauseating tail wagging in light turbulence I might have bought one, a few years ago when I was looking you could get a V tail for about the same money as a J, because I think the average V tail is twenty years older.