Panel Planning Stage for 65 Mooney M20E

[someairforcedude]

This is what I have come up with so far.  What are you thoughts, what can I improve or add/remove.  Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.  Also more than happy to draw up some panels for anyone that might need it.

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by someairforcedude
Uploaded most current designs.

[jamesm]

Fwiw I wouldn't put the ngt9000 at bottom. In the future if you decide to put yoke mounted IPad. it's going to hide the ngt9000 display. Just my thoughts.

James'67C

[David Lloyd]

Why even use the ngt 9000?  Use the Dynon transponder and free up panel space.  Use the Dynon ADSB in to display on those nice screens.  You have the button panel for the auto pilot but right now you will need the knob panel for the altitude bug, barometer and course.  Sure, they can be accessed thru the menus but are constantly used.

Are you keeping the PC with remote gyro till Dynon has the autopilot for the E?

[someairforcedude]

4 hours ago, David Lloyd said:

Why even use the ngt 9000?  Use the Dynon transponder and free up panel space.  Use the Dynon ADSB in to display on those nice screens.  You have the button panel for the auto pilot but right now you will need the knob panel for the altitude bug, barometer and course.  Sure, they can be accessed thru the menus but are constantly used.

Are you keeping the PC with remote gyro till Dynon has the autopilot for the E?

Not worried about auto pilot right away,  but I can put both panels in at the cost they are at so no big deal. I didn't think about the dynon transponder but that makes sense.  I don't know much about it,  have used the ngt before and like it,  how well does the dynon transponder work with foreflight? 

 

[David Lloyd]

I used the Dynonavionics transponder, adsb receiver and their wireless usb to work with an ifly gps display.  Worked as it should.  I heard it would work with Foreflight but did not have direct experience.

[someairforcedude]

Ok, updated with a few changes.  Manually got the ignition switch added that I wanted.  Waiting on rep to get back to me about transponder stuff from Dynon and all things equal it will probably save me a few thousand skipping the NGT transponder so I am ok with that.  I Just left it in as a placeholder for now.

[David Lloyd]

Use a little of those savings to go with the 10" screen.  I had 7" screens in my RV7 and they were just a little too small for my old eyes to read comfortably.  

[LANCECASPER]

+1 for going with the Dynon remote ads-b in/out Transponder instead of the Lynx - takes up zero panel space. 

 

I would find a way to get the autopilot controller to the left side and mount it horizontally if you are short on space

I would look for every possible fraction of an inch that you can move the Dynon D-10A back up to the left, which will allow you to move the HDX to the left.

Personally I would skip the expense of the extra GPS/NAV/COM (IFD 440 $10,000) and add the Dynon com radio ($2195) and panel dock mount an Aera 660 ($700) where the Lynx and IFD440 goes. The Aera 660 will give you the option of XM radio (with a GDL 550, 51 or 52) and weather, but most of all a good battery backup GPS if you have an electrical failure. Another option would be to panel mount a Garmin Aera 760 on the right side, instead of the 660 in the stack and the second HDX.  

[someairforcedude]

2 hours ago, LANCECASPER said:

+1 for going with the Dynon remote ads-b in/out Transponder instead of the Lynx - takes up zero panel space. 

 

I would find a way to get the autopilot controller to the left side and mount it horizontally if you are short on space

I would look for every possible fraction of an inch that you can move the Dynon D-10A back up to the left, which will allow you to move the HDX to the left.

Personally I would skip the expense of the extra GPS/NAV/COM (IFD 440 $10,000) and add the Dynon com radio ($2195) and panel dock mount an Aera 660 ($700) where the Lynx and IFD440 goes. The Aera 660 will give you the option of XM radio (with a GDL 550, 51 or 52) and weather, but most of all a good battery backup GPS if you have an electrical failure. Another option would be to panel mount a Garmin Aera 760 on the right side, instead of the 660 in the stack and the second HDX.  

What do you think of this layout then?   I like the large rocker switches but I don't think they are going to be feasible for this panel.  I am trying to fine some nice lit up ones to use that are not super large.

[carusoam]

Engine monitor and FF/totalizer in there somewhere?

There are some fancy switches that require separate CBs… very nice looking but add extra connections… (failure points)

-a-

[someairforcedude]

5 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Engine monitor and FF/totalizer in there somewhere?

There are some fancy switches that require separate CBs… very nice looking but add extra connections… (failure points)

-a-

Built into the Skyview system.  Just going to be stuffed in the panel and plugged in the back.

[carusoam]

For some nice views of an M20C with Dynon dual screen displays in it…

Find Chris…. He is posting interesting videos about every two weeks… @PilotFun101

This should help with some prior experience from other Mooniacs…

Best regards,

-a-

[LANCECASPER]

15 minutes ago, someairforcedude said:

What do you think of this layout then?   I like the large rocker switches but I don't think they are going to be feasible for this panel.  I am trying to fine some nice lit up ones to use that are not super large.

That's an Aera 796 on the right. The 760 is a lot slimmer and can update databases with wifi. Probably no need for both that and the second Dynon screen. Better to pick one or the other - better symmetry.

[someairforcedude]

9 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

That's an Aera 796 on the right. The 760 is a lot slimmer and can update databases with wifi. Probably no need for both that and the second Dynon screen. Better to pick one or the other - better symmetry.

I mean so thats the thing right.  each of those screens will work with power out.  Those screens should not only run but they would receive GPS data still if I am not mistaken but again, I haven't taken one for a test drive just yet.  This is I think a happy medium, what do you think?  Also I always have an ipad and a stratux in my flight back, so if all else fails, I will still have that to navigate with.

[McMooney]

I'd leave out the garmin panel mount and go with a portable tablet.  

or two/three hehe.   maybe add a garmin nav/com.   I believe the hdx's have backup gps

 

[McMooney]

1 minute ago, someairforcedude said:

I mean so thats the thing right.  each of those screens will work with power out.  Those screens should not only run but they would receive GPS data still if I am not mistaken but again, I haven't taken one for a test drive just yet.  This is I think a happy medium, what do you think?  Also I always have an ipad and a stratux in my flight back, so if all else fails, I will still have that to navigate with.

note, you'll be paying for multiple db subs in this fit. 

[someairforcedude]

1 minute ago, McMooney said:

I'd leave out the garmin panel mount and go with a portable tablet.  

or two/three hehe.   maybe add a garmin nav/com.   I believe the hdx's have backup gps

 

And just to be clear, I probably won't put that second GPS in until later.  For now I will more than likely have that Dynon Comm in that spot.  Use the plane for a few hundred hours and see how things go.

[carusoam]

Keep an eye on the structure behind the panel…

The left side only has a couple of inches… anything that goes deep or has a stack of plugs may be bumping into a steel tube…

Same at the top, dead center, an inverted Y of tubes… only short boxes will fit…

-a-

[someairforcedude]

2 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Keep an eye on the structure behind the panel…

The left side only has a couple of inches… anything that goes deep or has a stack of plugs may be bumping into a steel tube…

-a-

I'll have the avionic shop figure it out beyond this.  I just want it to work and look good :).  And to not get anything extra that I don't need right away.

[carusoam]

Add some finishing touches…

There are screw hole locations you probably want to keep track of…

These can force one box to move left or right… nd bump into something that doesn’t want to move…

And a plan to add an ever changing USB plug or two…. And standard cigarette lighter type of plug…  people use a standard hole… and replace the disc each time the plug style changes… this keeps you from having to live with a carved up panel…

-a-

[someairforcedude]

16 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Add some finishing touches…

There are screw hole locations you probably want to keep track of…

These can force one box to move left or right… nd bump into something that doesn’t want to move…

And a plan to add an ever changing USB plug or two…. And standard cigarette lighter type of plug…  people use a standard hole… and replace the disc each time the plug style changes… this keeps you from having to live with a carved up panel…

-a-

I will be doing that soon once I get to the hangar this week.   I think this is what I am going to go with to be honest.  And permanently mount a stratus to the plane so that if anything goes wrong, I can pull my phone or tablet and use foreflight to navigate.  Otherwise, I think price wise all in around 65k for this isn't too hateful. 

[carusoam]

I wish Al Moony could be here to see all this…. 

Best regards,

-a-

[LANCECASPER]

5 minutes ago, someairforcedude said:

I will be doing that soon once I get to the hangar this week.   I think this is what I am going to go with to be honest.  And permanently mount a stratus to the plane so that if anything goes wrong, I can pull my phone or tablet and use foreflight to navigate.  Otherwise, I think price wise all in around 65k for this isn't too hateful. 

Just so I can get a decent night's sleep tonight, please center that right side Dynon over the yoke, even if you have to bring it down a little  

[carusoam]

Add a few trim/flap position indicators stolen from an Ovation… 

An idea I got from another thread tonight…

there are empty spaces right where they go…

Best regards,

-a-

[someairforcedude]

23 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

Just so I can get a decent night's sleep tonight, please center that right side Dynon over the yoke, even if you have to bring it down a little  

Lol, I will post the actual drawings from the avionics company when they get done.  This was just me messing around with the panel building app.  

 

Edit, well if you need this to get some good sleep...

Edited October 20, 2021 by someairforcedude
Just to make sure Lance gets his sleep in.