MIm20c Posted July 24, 2018 Report Posted July 24, 2018 Looks good to me, upgradable for current owners. Aspen Max 4 Quote
carusoam Posted July 24, 2018 Report Posted July 24, 2018 Letting @Marauder know about this upgrade path... See if he has an opinion. Best regards, -a- Quote
Marauder Posted July 24, 2018 Report Posted July 24, 2018 Letting [mention=9886]Marauder[/mention] know about this upgrade path... See if he has an opinion. Best regards, -a- Don’t you know this is ancient technology??!! 1 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted July 24, 2018 Report Posted July 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Marauder said: Don’t you know this is ancient technology??!! Be curious to hear from those who see it firsthand at Oshkosh. I never found the refresh rate to be slow on my Aspens. Wonder how it looks to mine... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro I saw them side by side today and you can see a difference, but I agree the first generation Aspens always looked great to me also. One huge advantage of the MAX is that the AHRS is GPS aided when in a degraded mode, so losing pitot static doesn't cause you to lose attitude. So with a 2000 Max there's no requirement for a back-up attitude. 4 Quote
carusoam Posted July 24, 2018 Report Posted July 24, 2018 Sounds like an improvement that will allow you to use max aileron inputs, at Maneuvering speed, in IMC.... If priced properly outrageously... it will be just like having a BK AI OH’d.... Best regards, -a- Quote
MIm20c Posted July 24, 2018 Author Report Posted July 24, 2018 30 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said: I saw them side by side today and you can see a difference, but I agree the first generation Aspens always looked great to me also. One huge advantage of the MAX is that the AHRS is GPS aided when in a degraded mode, so losing pitot static doesn't cause you to lose attitude. So with a 2000 Max there's no requirement for a back-up attitude. From S&F the E5 does not require a backup AI because (similar to the G5) the remaining 6 pack needs to stay. It’s a great feature that the 2000 system can work alone. I wonder if a new PFD max and old mfd1000 can meet the requirement? Quote
Marauder Posted July 24, 2018 Report Posted July 24, 2018 I saw them side by side today and you can see a difference, but I agree the first generation Aspens always looked great to me also. One huge advantage of the MAX is that the AHRS is GPS aided when in a degraded mode, so losing pitot static doesn't cause you to lose attitude. So with a 2000 Max there's no requirement for a back-up attitude. Any sense on pricing for upgrades?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote
MIm20c Posted July 24, 2018 Author Report Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, Marauder said: Any sense on pricing for upgrades? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro As @carusoam implied it was mentioned at S&F the upgrade would be around the price of a BK AI overhaul. However, that was directed more towards recently sold units so I’m not sure. 1 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted July 24, 2018 Report Posted July 24, 2018 24 minutes ago, Marauder said: Any sense on pricing for upgrades? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro "Upgrades of existing displays will start at an introductory price of $2,995." The Aspen rep told me that the only thing that would be changed out with the upgrade is the display unit - the present configuration module will tell the new unit what options and settings you have. https://aspenavionics.com/news/aspen-avionics-introduces-evolution-max-flight-displays/ 3 Quote
NJMac Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 “We think this is a great upgrade path for 14000 owners” = we really need every one of you to send us $2995. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 2 Quote
PTK Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 On the surface it doesn't sound like a bad deal for existing Aspen owners. May entice them to trade in the old pig for another sporting some newer shades of lipstick! Assuming of course it makes it past the photoshop stage and actually materializes. i.e. to my eyes that video is misleading. It's showing the old box and not the pro-max which is only seen in pictures... Mr. Uczekaj do you have an actual live pro-max? It’s puzzling if you had one why you wouldn’t want to proudly display it at Oshkosh! Recall that the nice folks at Garmin had videos of the txi back in October of last year before it was released! Not just pretty pictures! 1 Quote
Cruiser Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 remind me again, how much does it cost to upgrade a G500 to TXi ? 1 2 Quote
Jerry 5TJ Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cruiser said: remind me again, how much does it cost to upgrade a G500 to TXi ? Remind me again how much bigger a G500 TXi display is than an Aspen’s? Three times? Four? 3 Quote
MIm20c Posted July 26, 2018 Author Report Posted July 26, 2018 Don’t forget that people like @Cruiser could also swap pfd’s with someone like me before they upgrade and I could kick a few hundred over to help. You could start a bidding war for a recent hardware upgrade... I’d hate to see an almost new aspen be cannibalized for spare parts. Might bring the brand new panel upgrade price to 2/3’s of a Garmin svt unlock. 1 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 2 hours ago, PTK said: Mr. Uczekaj do you have an actual live pro-max? It’s puzzling if you had one why you wouldn’t want to proudly display it at Oshkosh! Recall that the nice folks at Garmin had videos of the txi back in October of last year before it was released! Not just pretty pictures! Had you actuallly visited the Aspen booth or the Genesys booth or the Tru Trak booth at Oshkosh you would have seen the Aspen Max displayed in person right next to the previous model. 3 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 Page 35 of August Flying magazine. Quote
Marauder Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 Had you actuallly visited the Aspen booth or the Genesys booth or the Tru Trak booth at Oshkosh you would have seen the Aspen Max displayed in person right next to the previous model. Even if you made a video at the Aspen booth Peter Garmin would claim it was a fake video. But just for fun, go ahead and do it. 1 1 Quote
LANCECASPER Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 15 minutes ago, Marauder said: Even if you made a video at the Aspen booth Peter Garmin would claim it was a fake video. But just for fun, go ahead and do it I am on the way back but here’s a still picture that doesn’t do it justice but at least proves that it’s real and will be ready to ship soon. Quote
Marauder Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 I am on the way back but here’s a still picture that doesn’t do it justice but at least proves that it’s real and will be ready to ship soon. Looks pretty crisp. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote
LANCECASPER Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 The Aspen rep mentioned that the faster processor will mean cooler temps. The circuitry is completely changed to take advantage of the new components available now that weren’t available 10 years ago. Quote
smccray Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 Great idea but it’s not enough. Aspen had the right idea with their connected panel concept but it doesn’t seem like it really came together. Aspen is going to get squeezed by Garmin at the high end (TXi), Garmin at the low end (G5) and Dynon at the low end if it ever materializes. The Aspen is head and shoulders ahead of the Garmin G5, but the integration with an autopilot and the navigators brings capabilities that the Aspen doesn’t have. 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 Looks pretty good to me. My knock on Aspen as a current install is I was unexcited about purchasing today 10 year old hardware. They seem to have updated the hardware. The software and concept were always good. Price point is competitive still. If this were to go along somehow with a GFC500 upgrade path I would consider it strongly. But Im not doing anything until I see where the GFC500 lands. 1 Quote
Rumblestrip Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 Evolution MFD1000 MAX Multi-function display. Evolution MFD500 MAX Multi-function display. Evolution 1000 Pro MAX PFD The Evolution MAX series is comprised of the following displays: Evolution Pro 1000 MAX PFD – $9,995 Evolution MFD500 MAX MFD – $5,495 Evolution MFD1000 MAX MFD – $8,995 All MAX displays can be configured for one, two, or three units. With the installation of a dual unit system comprised of the EFD1000 Pro MAX and the Evolution MFD1000 MAX, owners can eliminate vacuum system backup indicators, company officials said. “From the beginning, Aspen has always been committed to developing an avionics platform that can grow with a pilot’s needs with access to new technology as it becomes available. Our unique approach to designing and engineering new products for the general aviation community gives our current customer base (approximately 14,000 worldwide) a path to cost-effectively upgrade to the latest Aspen displays without investing in a new cockpit installation,” said John Uczekaj, Aspen president and CEO. “With the MAX series, we continue to maintain that long-standing commitment to our existing customers while pledging to provide our new customers affordable avionics and upgrade paths. Furthermore, that upgrade comes with a new two-year manufacturer’s warranty.” Key features of the MAX series: GPS-aided AHRS in the event of pitot static failure New, vibrant colors with the latest aviation glass Higher reliability and faster refresh rates with the latest generation processors Audio panel interface Chart and countdown timers available on MFD500 and MFD1000 MAX MFDs Elimination of vacuum system backup indicators with the installation of Pro 1000 MAX PFD and MFD1000 MAX MFD 350 nm zoom levels on MFD500 and MFD1000 MAX MFDs Height above ground level (AGL) on navigation and terrain maps on MFD500 and MFD1000 MAX MFDs METAR flags on navigation map on MFD500 and MFD1000 MAX MFDs Altitude intercept based on climb rate Font and window enlargement capability 6” diagonal, 400 x 760 pixel TFT Active Matrix LCD screen with bolder and brighter resolution Works with existing avionics Patented, form-fit design slides easily into existing panel cutouts Approved for over 600 aircraft types The Evolution MAX series will be available starting in the fourth quarter of 2018. Upgrades of existing displays will start at an introductory price of $2,995. Evolution E5 Aspen Avionics reports it is in the final stages of receiving FAA approval for the Evolution E5 Dual Electronic Flight Instrument (EFI) and expects to start deliveries in August 2018. Introduced in April 2018, the STC’d, non-TSO Evolution E5 consolidates attitude indicator plus DG/CDI into a single display with a rechargeable backup battery. It also includes Global Positioning System Steering (GPSS), air data computer, and attitude heading reference system (ADAHRS) starting at $4,995. “The interest in the E5 has been overwhelming, and our order book is filling up quickly. We expect to be shipping the E5 in August,” said Mark Ferrari, Aspen vice president of sales and customer support. Quote
Bob_Belville Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 I hope the STEC 3100 STC materializes for Mooneys. My old STEC50 has been so solid with the Aspen that I'd have to put modern versions of both the STEC and the Aspen on the top of my don't-need-but-would-like-to-have list. 1 Quote
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