What placards are required for a '63 M20C?

[N201MKTurbo]

50 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Picture a bunch of flight school attendees in a crowded room with no internet.... students and low time flight instructors....

The weather outside is terrible, the only thing they have to discuss is the latest story about the local DPE.

The no smoking story goes back to the 90's at least.

Like any GA related check ride... Expect to finish the ride, there may be some things that need to be redone. Collect them all first... then finish after remediation.

Get a recommendation for getting a good DPE that matches your style.  My DPE for the PPL was a WWII vet and heavy smoker.  .  

Everyone in the boiler room knew what he liked and didn't like. He was the most known of all the unknowns...

Best regards,

-a-

 

My DPE for my private (AA) was a notorious smoker. It was well known that if you told him there was no smoking in the plane the check rides went very quickly. This was in '80.

[N201MKTurbo]

I looked up the rules.

It is legal to smoke in a GA aircraft, but it is required to have ash trays. When they stopped putting ash trays in planes they were required to placard them "No Smoking"

[carusoam]

Nice sleuthing, Rich!

Check to see if you have an ash tray or a no smoking sign...

Guessing that limitation isn't going to be covered by even the newest POH update for the M20C...

In the automotive environment, throwing a cigarette out the window can often come back inside and land in the back seat... a combination of aerodynamics and momentum...

A lit cigarette butt, Landing on the blue stained carpet in the back, out of reach, could leave an uneasy feeling...

Best regards,

-a-

Edited June 11, 2017 by carusoam

[HRM]

5 hours ago, Hank said:

I've never seen any requirement from any manufacturer for a "No Smoking" placard. My Mooney has a factory-installed ashtray.

Mine had two. They went away when we installed Bruce Jaegers Spatial Interior. I still have 'em in the hangar for anyone who wants to send me a ridiculous number of AMUs. 

4 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I looked up the rules.

It is legal to smoke in a GA aircraft, but it is required to have ash trays. When they stopped putting ash trays in planes they were required to placard them "No Smoking"

Well, time for a new placard 

[ragedracer1977]

8 hours ago, carusoam said:

Picture a bunch of flight school attendees in a crowded room with no internet.... students and low time flight instructors....

The weather outside is terrible, the only thing they have to discuss is the latest story about the local DPE.

The no smoking story goes back to the 90's at least.

Like any GA related check ride... Expect to finish the ride, there may be some things that need to be redone. Collect them all first... then finish after remediation.

Get a recommendation for getting a good DPE that matches your style.  My DPE for the PPL was a WWII vet and heavy smoker.  .  

Everyone in the boiler room knew what he liked and didn't like. He was the most known of all the unknowns...

Best regards,

-a-

 

Unfortunately, this one wasn't hangar talk.  I had the same DPE and he confirmed it.  I'll be honest, he's right.  It was in the POH as a required placard (1997 C172).  If it's in the POH, you have to have it.  Was it a dick move, sure?  But you have to ask, what if HE got ramp checked as a DPE?  Unlikely, yes.  but possible.  

He didn't fail the student, he discontinued the ride until the proper placards were in place.

He was fair, but a stickler for rules.  

[ragedracer1977]

9 hours ago, Delta said:

For M20C the following placards apply:  
Per TCDS 2A3, Page 52, NOTES APPLICABLE TO ALL MODELS, NOTE 2: Placards:
a.(3), a.(7), a.(8), b., c., and d.

Right, but what confuses me is that NOTE 2 does not apply to a 1963.  

I'm going to get the proper AFM and see what it says.

[carusoam]

If it is in the plane's POH it is fair game.  There are plenty of more important placards than that one. But, the point is they are there for a reason.

The no smoking one isn't very important to me.  Only because I don't smoke...

I have had the blue soggy carpet syndrome in My M20C.  It took a while to know what caused it. Losing a lit cigarette back there would be incredibly dangerous.

What else does a DPE do on a check ride than cause every student to study and learn everything they need to know to avoid killing themselves...

Even weight and balance, and performance calculations get forgotten too quickly... or get ignored because they were not important enough to put in the owner's manual...

Best regards,

-a-

Edited June 12, 2017 by carusoam