If Garmin was smart...

[KSMooniac]

So I was probably hitting the whisky a little hard with my pricing recommendations but Garmin might resize the 650 in the future to fit in the old racks...similar to the redesigned audio panel. 

Not having rack compatibility with the GNS series was a colossally stupid decision that opened a huge door for Avidyne to grab market share.

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[bradp]

Not having rack compatibility with the GNS series was a colossally stupid decision that opened a huge door for Avidyne to grab market share.

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Not when your dealer network is huge and has a vested interest in pushing GTN units as they make the dealers a lot more $$$ than the avidyne among existing GNS owners.


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[PTK]

11 hours ago, KSMooniac said:

Not having rack compatibility with the GNS series was a colossally stupid decision that opened a huge door for Avidyne to grab market share.

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How much market share did they really grab though? I don't think Garmin cares for two reasons: first, G has the superior product. Let's face it, an IFD is no GTN, and Avidyne or Aspen for that matter, is no Garmin! And second, the best an IFD can do is slide into a GNS rack. Beautiful. Now what?! For some that maybe good enough but others may consider it short sighted and a dead end. Garmin could have easily done this but didn't. Perhaps because they're interested in the big picture and transforming the entire panel with new technology and potential. 

 

[mike_elliott]

29 minutes ago, PTK said:

How much market share did they really grab though? I don't think Garmin cares for two reasons: first, an IFD is no GTN and second, the best an IFD can do is slide into a GNS rack. For some that maybe good enough but others may consider it short sighted and a dead end. Garmin could have easily done this but didn't. Perhaps because they're interested in the big picture and transforming the entire panel with future technology and potential. 

 

Ahhh,,, its the dream of something new that keeps you wet,

[aviatoreb]

Yesterday was really hyped  and I was guessing something big would be announced.  How underwhelming.

My wish-list guesses would have been.

-They were really going to go after experimental->normal category conversions with something big like the G3x with digital autopilot.  Now for that I would jump in.

or maybe

-The G5 would be more fully capable, allowing more of the experimental functionality into normal without locking out its best features.  So Now with the HSI - a full G5 plus a full G5 HSI at inexpensive prices, and driving the autopilot would be worthwhile too.

-Maybe a G6 - like the G5 but showing also synthetic vision.

None of the above where I might have whipped out the credit card - so I just watch with passing interest and I'm not buying anything then.

[gsengle]

How much market share did they really grab though? I don't think Garmin cares for two reasons: first, G has the superior product. Let's face it, an IFD is no GTN, and Avidyne or Aspen for that matter, is no Garmin! And second, the best an IFD can do is slide into a GNS rack. Beautiful. Now what?! For some that maybe good enough but others may consider it short sighted and a dead end. Garmin could have easily done this but didn't. Perhaps because they're interested in the big picture and transforming the entire panel with new technology and potential. 
 

I disagree that Garmin has the clearly superior product. I like the IFD550 a whole lot. They are selling a bunch. They are both very good and both have their quirks.


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[Bennett]

It might not be all we wanted, but I'm looking forward to having my GTN 750 updated to play with their VFR visual "approach" guidance. Sounds like a useful feature. Garmin has not (to my knowledge) posted a video of how it operates. Apparently the software update won't be available until mid May (my guess later).


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[ArtVandelay]

I don't think Garmin overhyped it, I think the Internet overhyped it (MS,BT,Etc).
Looks to me the are taken G5 development in steps: AI, HSI, ....AP support next?

[Marauder]

It might not be all we wanted, but I'm looking forward to having my GTN 750 updated to play with their VFR visual "approach" guidance. Sounds like a useful feature. Garmin has not (to my knowledge) posted a video of how it operates. Apparently the software update won't be available until mid May (my guess later).


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Bennett - the shop who is doing my latest avionics upgrade told me Garmin will be releasing a new update very soon (as in, it will be available by the time my avionics upgrade is done). Wonder if this is the one.


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[KLRDMD]

14 minutes ago, gsengle said:

G has the superior product. Let's face it, an IFD is no GTN

The IFD is so far superior to the GTN series it is ridiculous. 3D synthetic vision. GTN - Nope ! ARS on a GTN - give me a break !! Built in WiFi, built in Bluetooth - not available on a GTN. Forward Looking Terrain Alerting included for free - not on a GTN.

Garmin has the superior product. Ha Ha Ha Ha !! I want some of what you've been smoking.

[Marauder]

You guys always fall into Peter Garmin's trap. How insidious his tactics are. He's getting to be a real pro at this stuff.


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[PTK]

3 hours ago, teejayevans said:

I don't think Garmin overhyped it, I think the Internet overhyped it (MS,BT,Etc).
Looks to me the are taken G5 development in steps: AI, HSI, ....AP support next?

Exactly right. I bet they have it ready to go but are being deliberate about it. They don't show all their cards at once. Besides, contrary to what some believe, they do have compassion! They want to give Aspen a chance to recuperate from the panic and anxiety. Give them some time to catch their breath and bring their heart rate back down... until of course the next Garmin announcement!

 

[Bennett]

Bennett - the shop who is doing my latest avionics upgrade told me Garmin will be releasing a new update very soon (as in, it will be available by the time my avionics upgrade is done). Wonder if this is the one.


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From the March 30th Garmin website re. The GTN software announcement:

These new features are expected to be available in May from Garmin Authorized Dealers for hundreds of aircraft makes and models. The free GTN software upgrade is supported by our award-winning aviation support team, which provides 24/7 worldwide technical and warranty support. For additional information, visit www.garmin.com/aviation.


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[ArtVandelay]

The IFD is so far superior to the GTN series it is ridiculous. 3D synthetic vision. GTN - Nope ! ARS on a GTN - give me a break !! Built in WiFi, built in Bluetooth - not available on a GTN. Forward Looking Terrain Alerting included for free - not on a GTN.
Garmin has the superior product. Ha Ha Ha Ha !! I want some of what you've been smoking.

There are Garmin haters and Garmin lovers...I'm neither, with that said:
GTN was introduced in 2012, IFD 2015, when I installed my GTN the IFD 440 was still vaporware. So newer hardware has newer technology, duh! Garmin introduced the Flightstream to supplement their existing boxes, see nothing wrong with that.
Synthetic vision is a toy, I don't know anyone that actually uses it for navigation. Maybe in an emergency.
I think Garmin charging $7995 for TAWS is insane, I can't believe anyone pays it. Garmin boxes tend to be more expensive, no doubt.
But Garmin 430 boxes built in 1997 are still sought after today, when you think about an electronic device 20 years old still being used and installed, that kind of longevity and reputation is something few companies in electronic business can say.

[KLRDMD]

1 minute ago, teejayevans said:

There are Garmin haters and Garmin lovers...I'm neither, with that said: GTN was introduced in 2012, IFD 2015.

And the Avidyne boxes have continuously been improved and updated since their introduction while the Garmin boxes have mostly been stagnant with a handful of feeble attempts to catch up to Avidyne.

[gsengle]

My main issue with Garmin is they do a poor job of interoperability with other manufacturers gear. They actively try and force you into an all Garmin panel. They turn customers off this way - I wish they would try and just compete on their individual products merits.

 

My other ding on Garmin, and it goes for Dynon too.... is I have somewhat of a design and human factors background, and they both need to clean up their interfaces. They get cluttered and a bit garish, and nothing is worse to my eye than the 3D effects on bar graphs and the like. I think Avidyne is a little better on this score... imho

 

 

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[PTK]

1 hour ago, gsengle said:

My main issue with Garmin is they do a poor job of interoperability with other manufacturers gear...

I don't see this as a Garmin issue. They have such a plethora of products of their own and can't, nor should, be bothered about the others. It's the others that can't keep up and makes their heads spin and break in cold sweats every time G announces something new!

Now, if the others had the broad product lines G has and were real competition for Garmin there wouldn't be an issue of interoperability. It's called good old American competition!

[gsengle]

I don't see this as a Garmin issue. They have such a plethora of products of their own and can't, nor should, be bothered about the others. It's the others that can't keep up and makes their heads spin!  Now, if the others had the broad product lines G has and were real competition for Garmin there wouldn't be an issue of interoperability. It's called good old American competition!

 

 

Totally disagree. There are industry standard interfaces and protocols. Garmin doesn't always play nice. On purpose.

 

Put another way, following standards is how you avoid having to test every permutation of gear...

 

 

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[PTK]

The reason the others cry about interoperability is because they need Garmin for their boxes to work and sell. The inverse does not apply.

[gsengle]

Yes and it's called an anticompetitive trade practice. Of course that's why they cry about it. And it's also why they lose some of my business... it's partially why I went L3 Lynx over Garmin...

 

 

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[PTK]

7 minutes ago, gsengle said:

they

 

7 minutes ago, gsengle said:

Yes and it's called an anticompetitive trade practice. Of course that's why they cry about it. And it's also why they lose some of my business....


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I don't agree. Anticompetitive trade practices are unfair business practices that stiffle competition and lead to higher prices, lower quality or less innovation.

That's not the case at all here. Exactly the opposite. You have a company, Garmin, producing the highest quality product and constantly innovating. 

[gsengle]

I don't agree. Anticompetitive trade practices are unfair business practices that stiffle competition and lead to higher prices, lower quality or less innovation.

That's not the case at all here. Exactly the opposite. You have a company, Garmin, producing the highest quality product and constantly innovating. 

 

That's exactly the case here. By forcing you to buy Garmin, they maintain higher prices.

ps, as much as I like em, same criticism of ForeFlight by being stratus exclusive so long...

 

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[ArtVandelay]

And the Avidyne boxes have continuously been improved and updated since their introduction while the Garmin boxes have mostly been stagnant with a handful of feeble attempts to catch up to Avidyne.

There is no procedure or maneuver I can't do using the GTN, everything else is bells and whistles.

You're a hater.

[KLRDMD]

Just now, teejayevans said:

There is no procedure or maneuver I can't do using the GTN, everything else is bells and whistles.

I like the 3D synthetic vision, ARS, WiFi, Bluetooth and Forward Looking Terrain Alerting bells and whistles and pretty much anyone that isn't a Garmin apologist will agree those things make the Avidyne a far superior box. But that's OK., I completely understand that many people are perfectly happy to pay more money for an inferior product.

[gsengle]

What I can't understand is grown people using the teenage girl slang "hater" lol


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