MS support

[rbridges]

9 hours ago, N1395W said:

The main reason I haven't contributed is that I don't have a PayPal account, and my wife already thinks I spend too much time on MooneySpace, if I gave money I'd probably never hear the end of it.

 

don't tell her it's for mooneyspace.  just say it's for a porn subscription.  

[mike_elliott]

2 hours ago, rbridges said:

just say it's for a porn subscription

It is, isn't it?

[Bob_Belville]

12 minutes ago, mike_elliott said:

It is, isn't it?

Revealing our age, are we?

[rbridges]

39 minutes ago, mike_elliott said:

It is, isn't it?

Maybe marauder's pics. Lol

[Hank]

26 minutes ago, rbridges said:

Maybe marauder's pics. Lol

Show those to your wife, you'll end up with professional counseling . . .

[Brian Scranton]

The ROI is unquestionable. Better than AOPA...for me at least. 

[PMcClure]

Shame....Shame....Shame. The easy answer I haven't is because I don't have to. Let the insults fly......

[chrisk]

21 hours ago, rbridges said:

I also know that some people had donated prior to the new system with the "supporter" label.

Maybe I'm one of those.  I honestly don't remember the last time I donated, but I know I've done it a few times.

[Bennett]

How about posting various methods of contributing. Thank you

[N5756v]

Supporter does not show up on tap talk

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[bonal]

I don't have a pay pal either I just sent a pm to mooniac58 for his address and sent a check. Old school guy.

[Andy95W]

2 hours ago, bonal said:

I don't have a pay pal either I just sent a pm to mooniac58 for his address and sent a check. Old school guy.

Thanks for the info.  Doing it now.

[Yooper Rocketman]

We need more guys like me, that can't remember very well.  While looking through my finances this spring to compile aviation expenses for taxes I found I had made TWO $50 donations in one year.  Maybe I can get an extra year of "Supporter" status for that.

Tom

[PMcClure]

So I am still trying to decide if I should feel bad or not about not having supporter under my name. I am here a lot, contribute and take away a lot of good information. I don't consider my self a cheap skate or free loader by any means. I also have no idea what it takes to  support this site or if it is even a commercial endeavor. We were give the choice to donate or accept ads. I accept the ads. I assume one is not better than the other. Maybe that is a bad assumption. 

Does $10 cover the costs? Is it a fair value for what I get out of this site (no). $100, $1000? I dunno. Someone help me set my moral compass. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Yooper Rocketman said:

We need more guys like me, that can't remember very well.  While looking through my finances this spring to compile aviation expenses for taxes I found I had made TWO $50 donations in one year.  Maybe I can get an extra year of "Supporter" status for that.

Tom

Maybe one was credited to me, because somehow my status has changed thanks to an anonymous donor.

Clarence

[Jerry 5TJ]

6 minutes ago, PMcClure said:

 

Does $10 cover the costs? Is it a fair value for what I get out of this site (no). $100, $1000? I dunno. Someone help me set my moral compass. 

Some similar groups have "closed" forums--only paid members can read or post.  FYI here are some prices:

The Piper MMOPA group is $250 per year

Eclipse Jet. EJOPA costs $125

TBM group is $350 per year.

 

[PMcClure]

3 minutes ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

Some similar groups have "closed" forums--only paid members can read or post.  FYI here are some prices:

The Piper MMOPA group is $250 per year

Eclipse Jet. EJOPA costs $125

TBM group is $350 per year.

 

OK -

Beechtalk is free (isn't it?). Facebook is free, etc, etc, etc...

Is that what this community is for - exclusive members talking to each other? I don't think so. I would probably pay the $350 if I had a TBM assuming it is a commercial activity for the sponsors and hope I got something for my payment. But I don't have a TBM and MS isn't asking for $350. If it did, I would probably consider it and pay it.  But most wouldn't. 

I know there must be some cost and some time for the admin. I really have no idea why people would spend their money to do these type of things (but am thankful they do).  But it was set up with the choice of ads or contribution. Just talking out loud here. If I am out of line, I'll send in my $10 but sleep well either way. 

 

 

[mooniac58]

First - those that don't donate should not feel bad ad all.  After some fine-tuning over the months I have been getting decent returns from the advertising. If you are running an ad-blocker on the site that is another issue (please whitelist us!) as ad blocking is killing the free Internet everywhere...my main company has laid off half our staff in the past 18 months as a result of the rise of ad blocking users.

If you don't want to see ads then the small donation (or more!) is very welcome.  The truth is $10 per month is not really enough - but luckily most people donate more and we have an average donation of about $28.00.

Also, if any of your have businesses or services that you wish to advertise on Mooneyspace you can buy ads directly here and I would give you Supporter status for that as well...

I am a MMOPA member ($250 per year as stated before) and it is rather expensive.  They do put out a magazine quarterly and organize some pretty exotic events as well as call in tech support from one of the best PA-46 mechanics on Earth - so there is a bit more offered than just forums.  I have never met a Malibu owner that was not also a MMOPA member.

Thanks to all of you for your support regardless of what form it takes!

[carusoam]

From one Mooney person to another...

This is kind of like putting money in the collection basket at church...

There are examples of ads being sold on printed paper.

Sometimes the basket goes buy twice in a single service.

Only you will know what's right for you.

I traded 'supporter' status for something that was being sold by an MS member.  It was a three way trade.  We all are better off.

I learn something everyday.  Happy to pay a part for doing so.

Value proposition: What other club gets you so much Personalized Mooney information?  What do you pay for that?  

Embarrassment proposition: What does it cost to have the scarlet letter removed from your avatar?  $10?

Advertisement model: They aren't placed there to be an annoyance.  They are there to help you buy things.  If you intentionally avoid the ads how does that help pay for the site?

Everybody brings something to the community.  Some bring more than others.  Some bring tremendous mechanical input.  Others bring CFI skills.  Then there's the other odd categories regarding accounting, health and legal issues.  My favorite are the things machined by a Yetti, assembled by a lawyer, coated in leather by a dentist, electronically explained/demystified by un piloto...

Newbies are the coolest.  Some are one and done.  Others offer up their complete experience as they go through their training process.  Sam Husk has been writing for days.  His writings will help the next newbie that comes along.  Some newbies turn into Mooney owners that are Won't Leavers.  Some WLers are reminded of something important when reading the Husk's logic.

One of the coolest things I learned here was how to open a paypal account.  It has a record of everything I have paid for using it.  If I want to know what (And when) I sent to MS, I look it up from my iPad...  Then I remember the headset I bought, the GPS mount I got, the GPS maps I have loaded... And other things I have bought from MSers. I have had to re-learn a lot of things.

The really cool thing was a recommended amount was given.  I'm surprised it was that low.

If you have some, spend it.  If you don't, save it.  

If you are looking for somebody to answer the personal financial question for you.  It can't happen.  It's your personal question...

Wondering if I can get a write-off based on the time spent writing this one? 

That would be worth about $10, no?  (Somehow Balancing off the cost of MS membership)

Best regards,

-a-

 

[PMcClure]

17 minutes ago, carusoam said:

From one Mooney person to another...

This is kind of like putting money in the collection basket at church...

There are examples of ads being sold on printed paper.

Sometimes the basket goes buy twice in a single service.

Only you will know what's right for you.

I traded 'supporter' status for something that was being sold by an MS member.  It was a three way trade.  We all are better off.

I learn something everyday.  Happy to pay a part for doing so.

Value proposition: What other club gets you so much Personalized Mooney information?  What do you pay for that?  

Embarrassment proposition: What does it cost to have the scarlet letter removed from your avatar?  $10?

Advertisement model: They aren't placed there to be an annoyance.  They are there to help you buy things.  If you intentionally avoid the ads how does that help pay for the site?

Everybody brings something to the community.  Some bring more than others.  Some bring tremendous mechanical input.  Others bring CFI skills.  Then there's the other odd categories regarding accounting, health and legal issues.  My favorite are the things machined by a Yetti, assembled by a lawyer, coated in leather by a dentist, electronically explained/demystified by un piloto...

Newbies are the coolest.  Some are one and done.  Others offer up their complete experience as they go through their training process.  Sam Husk has been writing for days.  His writings will help the next newbie that comes along.  Some newbies turn into Mooney owners that are Won't Leavers.  Some WLers are reminded of something important when reading the Husk's logic.

One of the coolest things I learned here was how to open a paypal account.  It has a record of everything I have paid for using it.  If I want to know what (And when) I sent to MS, I look it up from my iPad...  Then I remember the headset I bought, the GPS mount I got, the GPS maps I have loaded... And other things I have bought from MSers. I have had to re-learn a lot of things.

The really cool thing was a recommended amount was given.  I'm surprised it was that low.

If you have some, spend it.  If you don't, save it.  

If you are looking for somebody to answer the personal financial question for you.  It can't happen.  It's your personal question...

Wondering if I can get a write-off based on the time spent writing this one? 

That would be worth about $10, no?  (Somehow Balancing off the cost of MS membership)

Best regards,

-a-

 

-a- 

For the 1st time, I don't agree with you. I really like Mooniac58's message. He should make money for his time and effort and I don't mind getting ads targeting at me based on my profile and internet usage nor do I fault the guy paying a little to avoid that. Advertising is part of what makes the internet and free enterprise work as much as club dues or donations are. And I don't like the church analogy either. If I am only giving the donation to remove a mark of shame, then I have really missed the point, right? If you have to embarrass me to get me to pay $10 something is wrong with both of us. 

My question isn't really a financial one. I just spent $10 on lunch. Is this site worth $10? You bet. I hope that the guy running it makes way more than $10. The only reason I would give $10 is so you don't think I am a CB or if it is really needed to keep this site going. In that case, make it a fee not a donation. 

And, I don't like the supporter label. At the bottom of this page it says:  *Members that donate $10 or more do not see advertisements* It does not say that members who don't donate $10 are cheap SOB's. I am a supporter and I look at ads. You are a supporter and  pay $. 

Hester wore her A well, me maybe not so much. 

[PMcClure]

1 hour ago, mooniac58 said:

First - those that don't donate should not feel bad ad all.  After some fine-tuning over the months I have been getting decent returns from the advertising. If you are running an ad-blocker on the site that is another issue (please whitelist us!) as ad blocking is killing the free Internet everywhere...my main company has laid off half our staff in the past 18 months as a result of the rise of ad blocking users.

If you don't want to see ads then the small donation (or more!) is very welcome.  The truth is $10 per month is not really enough - but luckily most people donate more and we have an average donation of about $28.00.

Also, if any of your have businesses or services that you wish to advertise on Mooneyspace you can buy ads directly here and I would give you Supporter status for that as well...

I am a MMOPA member ($250 per year as stated before) and it is rather expensive.  They do put out a magazine quarterly and organize some pretty exotic events as well as call in tech support from one of the best PA-46 mechanics on Earth - so there is a bit more offered than just forums.  I have never met a Malibu owner that was not also a MMOPA member.

Thanks to all of you for your support regardless of what form it takes!

Thank you for your response, really appreciated. I don't mind the ads on this site, other than they seem sometimes repetitive. At least they don't cover up the page or force me to download some virus to close out of. Thank you for running the site, I hope your are adequately compensated for doing it. So straight up  - would you rather have my $10 or the chance to collect advertisement $$?

[mooniac58]

8 minutes ago, PMcClure said:

Thank you for your response, really appreciated. I don't mind the ads on this site, other than they seem sometimes repetitive. At least they don't cover up the page or force me to download some virus to close out of. Thank you for running the site, I hope your are adequately compensated for doing it. So straight up  - would you rather have my $10 or the chance to collect advertisement $$?

Your call entirely.  I think a user paying $10 probably supports the site more than with ads - you would need to view about 20,000 pages on the site to generate a $10 ad income for comparison.  Either way, thanks for using Mooneyspace!  ~Craig

[carusoam]

PMc,

I understand not being agreed with...  I probably missed something important.

It's none of my business who paid how much for what.

Keep in mind, writing is sometimes a challenge for me.  So if I wrote something improper let me know.   

Sending the payment was easy for me.  I donated before the rules were posted.  I knew what it was worth to me.  I picked a number that I could afford and then struggled through the whole setting up PayPal thing to make it happen.

i'm pretty happy to read and write, learn about Mooneys and the people that fly them.  Interacting with those people makes it an enjoyable experience.

Fortunately, Craig (our site guy) has given us different ways to contribute.  I am doubly impressed that some MSers have found ways to support other MSers along the way...

Its a great community to be part of.

Best regards,

-a-

[PMcClure]

12 minutes ago, carusoam said:

PMc,

Its a great community to be part of.

 

-a-

Agreed....

[bonal]

Contributions to this site come in many forms and from so much varied experience. As for me I'm not an A&P nor an IA not a CFI not an ATP or an ATC or any of the other examples that help with so much here. Just a low time VFR guy trying learn about this very complex thing that is GA and airplane ownership so cant be of much help to others. I guess I would define myself as a color commentator spouting useless but hopefully entertaining posts from time to time.  Directly supporting the site at least makes me feel like I'm helping in some small way.