Getting rid of the old shotgun panel!

[drapo]

4 hours ago, gsxrpilot said:

Well done! And what a huge improvement to the plane. 

Thanks, that way I won't have buy a new plane....  Maybe

1 hour ago, chrixxer said:

What's the adapter you used to mount the turn coordinator in a standard hole?

Pretty standard, Aircraft Spruce sells them:   http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/instreducer.php?clickkey=4549

[Marauder]

This year, I spent my upgrade money on the right side panel. Needed to rearrange the setup so it would be more «User friendly» and decided to get rid of the old Garwin six pack analog instrument at the same time. Had to decide on the replacement, wether I'd go with a single  digital instrument or individual gauges. Finally, I went for the individual gauges, Insight G1, AerospaceLogic Oil pres/temp and fuel gauges and EI volt/amp.
My trusted Mx did his usual magic, and voilà!


 

Addicting, isn't it?


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[drapo]

1 hour ago, Marauder said:

 

 

Addicting, isn't it?


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But this time, I'm done.... Maybe!

[Marauder]

But this time, I'm done.... Maybe!

That's what I said in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and in 2017




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[chrixxer]

So my E is out at Tucson Aero (KAVQ) getting some avionics work done. While it's there I asked about reorganizing the left seat panel into something resembling a six-pack. His response surprised me ... Said that if the "POH" (owner's manual) has a picture of the panel (it does; 15a), then reorganizing it would require basically writing a new POH. The shop is a repair station and they've been doing this stuff a long time, I believe they know their stuff, but I've also seen so many vintage planes with redone panels, I have to believe it's not that involved... 337-level stuff maybe...? 

Edited August 29, 2017 by chrixxer

[MIm20c]

@chrixxer I would think with a 337 form and sign off you should be gtg. My 63 has a 231 panel and the only thing I noticed was a 337 on file with the FAA and a IA repair station sign off.  IMO that is a larger change vs rearranging the left side only. 

Edited August 25, 2017 by MIm20c

[Guest]

Doesn't LASAR sell an STC'd panel kit?

Clarence

[takair]

1 minute ago, M20Doc said:

Doesn't LASAR sell an STC'd panel kit?

Clarence

They used to sell a panel, but it was not STCd. I did mine as a log entry since it met the criteria for a minor alteration.  Different IA results may vary.

[ragedracer1977]

4 hours ago, chrixxer said:

So my E is out at Tucson Aero (KAVQ) getting some avionics work done. While it's there I asked the avionics guy (Dave) about reorganizing the left seat panel into something resembling a six-pack. His response surprised me ... Said that if the "POH" (owner's manual) has a picture of the panel (it does; 15a), then reorganizing it would require basically writing a new POH. The shop is a repair station and he's been doing this stuff a long time, I believe he knows his stuff, but I've also seen so many vintage planes with redone panels, I have to believe it's not that involved... 337-level stuff maybe...? 

Mine will be down there 2nd week of September for the annual.  When you picking yours up?

[Andy95W]

1 hour ago, M20Doc said:

Doesn't LASAR sell an STC'd panel kit?

Clarence

Southwest Texas Aviation used to sell an STC'ed instrument panel.  LASAR sells a panel that will fit in the same location that the original panel went, with instructions for some additional sheet metal work.  They used to provide (like, 20 years ago) an example of a 337 for a major alteration.  As the years have gone by, most A&Ps now generally consider this a minor alteration, since it doesn't fit any of the criteria for a major alteration.  This requires a logbook entry.  In a case like this, I would submit a 337 directly to the aircraft records branch (not for a field approval), just to ensure the aircraft's permanent records reflected the change.

I think your Avionics shop is being a bit too old school about this, but as a repair station, they probably wish to remain on the good side of their FSDO.  At your next annual inspection, ask your local A&P to do the work and document it as I mentioned above.

[gsxrpilot]

7 hours ago, chrixxer said:

So my E is out at Tucson Aero (KAVQ) getting some avionics work done. While it's there I asked the avionics guy (Dave) about reorganizing the left seat panel into something resembling a six-pack. His response surprised me ... Said that if the "POH" (owner's manual) has a picture of the panel (it does; 15a), then reorganizing it would require basically writing a new POH. The shop is a repair station and he's been doing this stuff a long time, I believe he knows his stuff, but I've also seen so many vintage planes with redone panels, I have to believe it's not that involved... 337-level stuff maybe...? 

That's ridiculous! You don't even need a 337. Look here for ideas on how its done.http://www.hendricksmfg.com/panels.html

@"Chocks" and I did the new panel for my 252. The avionics shop installed it and signed it off along with the installation of the new glass. 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Andy95W said:

Southwest Texas Aviation used to sell an STC'ed instrument panel.  LASAR sells a panel that will fit in the same location that the original panel went, with instructions for some additional sheet metal work.  They used to provide (like, 20 years ago) an example of a 337 for a major alteration.  As the years have gone by, most A&Ps now generally consider this a minor alteration, since it doesn't fit any of the criteria for a major alteration.  This requires a logbook entry.  In a case like this, I would submit a 337 directly to the aircraft records branch (not for a field approval), just to ensure the aircraft's permanent records reflected the change.

I think your Avionics shop is being a bit too old school about this, but as a repair station, they probably wish to remain on the good side of their FSDO.  At your next annual inspection, ask your local A&P to do the work and document it as I mentioned above.

Andy,

I don't think those panels will fit my Comanche.

Clarence

[Hank]

If you're gonna eliminate the shotgun panel, do it like the later Cs on an arc parallel to the top of the panel and fit 12 instruments instead of just 8 when they are all horizontal.

 

Edited August 26, 2017 by Hank

[MBDiagMan]

Here are pictures of the six pack in Joyce when I purchased her in February.  The Sixpack works out well and I have gotten used to the layout.  I do wish that the Cdi for the King NAVCOM(one on the right) and the CDI for the 430W (one on the far left) were better located.  On balance though it makes a workable panel although cosmetically it is ragged looking.

[chrixxer]

7 hours ago, Hank said:

If you're gonna eliminate the shotgun panel, do it like the later Cs on an arc parallel to the top of the panel and fit 12 instruments instead of just 8 when they are all horizontal.

7 hours ago, Hank said:

If you're gonna eliminate the shotgun panel, do it like the later Cs on an arc parallel to the top of the panel and fit 12 instruments instead of just 8 when they are all horizontal.

 

TBH, I don't like that layout (and with my E, and all the Klixon switches and push-pull controls below the panel, I don't think I could do it anyway). I've flown a couple of Cherokees with that setup and was always relieved to get back behind a 4x2 grid layout. Maybe I'm a little OCD. But your POH page makes me think - I wonder if that's what the A&P is thinking (he hadn't reviewed my POH when we talked), where each instrument is identified and labeled. Mine's got a blurry, faded photo and the individual instruments are not labeled or identified. (If you know what a 6-pack contains you can make an educated guess...) Wonder if a later, individually identified instruments, POH would dictate a different result from a 1960s shotgun "anything goes" panel and sparse owner's manual...

[chrixxer]

23 hours ago, ragedracer1977 said:

Mine will be down there 2nd week of September for the annual.  When you picking yours up?

When it's ready ... I thought they were going to start working on it when I dropped it off on the 5th, but evidently not much has been done now (Troy left on vacation and there was some communications breakdown).

[ragedracer1977]

On 8/26/2017 at 7:15 PM, chrixxer said:

When it's ready ... I thought they were going to start working on it when I dropped it off on the 5th, but evidently not much has been done now (Troy left on vacation and there was some communications breakdown).

Yeah, and I guess I sorta made Troy fly back and forth to KSOW a couple times to get my plane fixed.  Sorry!