MooneyPTG Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Can you slip a mooney with the flaps extended on final. Full flaps...partial flaps? I can not find the info in my POH. Thanks Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooneymite Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Since I am not a test pilot, I would never do such a thing. However, the hangar fairies do it all the time and seem to bring the plane back in one piece. I've told them slipping with full flaps is a darn good way to get an incredible sink rate going and they are going to bust their fairy butts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartParr Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Read somewhere long ago that short bodies, full flaps, and slips don't play together very well. First time I did it when I was getting checked out my instructor said slips don't work very well in Mooneys so I just don't use them like when I fly little tail-draggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piperpainter Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yes! I have a C and the only difference is the 20 more HP you have. I do full slips all the time and have full control. Just keep your nose down and speed up. I was doing them all the way down final, and even to slow over the runway! If I didn't slip with full flaps, I wouldn't be able to get into some of the crazy places I go! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Read somewhere long ago that short bodies, full flaps, and slips don't play together very well. First time I did it when I was getting checked out my instructor said slips don't work very well in Mooneys so I just don't use them like when I fly little tail-draggers. I think perhaps you've got that backwards. I vaguely recall reading that long bodies don't slip with flaps. As others have noted, the short bodies have no problems with it. I've done it a few dozen times myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Since I am not a test pilot, I would never do such a thing. However, the hangar fairies do it all the time and seem to bring the plane back in one piece. I've told them slipping with full flaps is a darn good way to get an incredible sink rate going and they are going to bust their fairy butts. How would slipping an M20E make you a test pilot? There's no prohibition in the POH. There's no altitude info for below sea level either, so if I fly when the DA is negative am I a test pilot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Slipping with full flaps works great in short bodies. But in the long bodies, it can blank air flow over the horizontal stab, not a good thing. Slip all you want to in your E. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELT Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yes, you can slip an E. Yes, you need to know how to slip as it is one of the few tools to lose altitude. I too had read some crap on never slipping a Mooney when I got mine. So I found a Mooney owner/experienced instructor and we went training. The Mooney with full flaps slips very nicely and drops the nose in a slip with no pitch up. Best to slip at 80-90 mph. We full slipped the airplane at speeds down to the stall buffett with no nasties. He nor I would want to stall from a slip even at 5,000 feet. Different Mooneys due to rigging behave differently. Get a good instructor and learn how your Mooney behaves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The challenges are more of the technique of slipping an airplane... Gently enter and exit the slip... Nose down, speed in control. You do need to avoid... Nose up, slow speed, stomping on or dropping pressure off the tail (this causes Noticeable horizontal rotation of the plane) Stomping on rudders is similar to letting your foot slip off the rudder pedal... Recipe for stall/spin in any plane... Practice at high altitudes. Smooth entry and smooth exits are important. Long bodies have been the focus of avoiding slips. They all have speed brakes to remove the need to slip I have been a user of an M20C and currently use an M20R. I am not an instructor. Best regards, -a- '76 C POH doesn't have any slips listed under limitations. No recomendations either that I can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Brian! You have a twin! With your recent silence, ELT's avatar made me think you'd sold your plane . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyPTG Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Just so we are on the same page I am talking about a forward slip. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 How about slips with full flaps, wheels down and the speed brakes out? Comes down like a Cessna! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooneymite Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 How would slipping an M20E make you a test pilot? There's no prohibition in the POH. There's no altitude info for below sea level either, so if I fly when the DA is negative am I a test pilot? I'm sorry you did not enjoy the tongue-in-cheek humor (attempt). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Read somewhere long ago that short bodies, full flaps, and slips don't play together very well. First time I did it when I was getting checked out my instructor said slips don't work very well in Mooneys so I just don't use them like when I fly little tail-draggers. Humm, I'm guessing your instructor might not be as familiar with the various Mooney models as he possibly should be to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 "Crosswind landings should be accomplished by using above procedures except maintain approach speed appropriate for wind conditions. Allow aircraft to crab until the landing flare. Accomplish touchdown in a slight wing low sideslip (low wing into wind) and aircraft aligned with runway. During landing roll, position flight controls to counteract crosswind." E-descent is flaps up at Vlo with speed brakes out... Better than flaps down at Vfe. POH - O2, As usual, check your POH. Do not rely on my handwritten data..., -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTex Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 My C is a real slipping machine... I do them all the time. Almost all of my slips are with full flaps. Full flaps, pull power, airspeed 85-90mph and kick it into a slip and she'll drop like an elevator! It's a beautiful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 It's probably the words "kick it" that draw the most fire. They are the traditional words often used to describe entering a slip. Snap out of the slip would probably be the others. Gently enter or genly exit the slip isn't as dramatic... but works better. Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 You all need to watch our upcoming DVD Boots On the Ground: The Men and Women who made Mooney. In this DVD, you will see Mooney test pilot Mike Miles and Mooney test pilot/engineer Bill Wheat dispell myths about stalls, spins, slips in Mooneys.............all models! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Even better, come to Boots premier at MAPA Homecoming in Kerrville and ask Mike and Bill yourself............they'll be there for the premier night, April 10, in the large Mooney Sevice Center hangar! See you there.................. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I'm sorry you did not enjoy the tongue-in-cheek humor (attempt). My mistake. So many of the aviation-themed boards I frequent are always spewing lines like that out, and in all seriousness. I forgot where I was for a second 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyBob Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I have one stupid question not really related to this topic but I am new in the mooney world. Which Mooneys are short body and which are long body? My is M20J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 There were short bodies through the E model. The F,J,K were long bodies and the late models are super long like a stretch DC8. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyBob Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 There were short bodies through the E model. The F,J,K were long bodies and the late models are super long like a stretch DC8. Thank you for the explanation. What are advantages / disadvantages when we compare them? You don't have to elaborate on that too much. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 The short bodies have back seats with no leg room. The long bodies are 11 inches longer, split between the back seats and the baggage compartment. I'm not sure how much bigger the Ovation, Acclaim and Brovo bodies are. The front seat experience is the same in all models. I have owned an F and a J. They are perfectly comfortable in the back seats on a long cross country. I have actually ridden back there a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyBob Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Thank you. Yes, I have tried to sit in the back of mu J ( on the ground) and even with my pilot seat in my most comfortable position ( I am 6'1" with long legs) there is enough leg room for nice comfy ride in the back. I really like the ergonomics of the Mooney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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