Bob_Belville Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 What looked to be gorgeous day turned very sour when as I taxied for takeoff from 6B6 the nose wheel dipped in a depression in the taxiway near a manhole cover and I heard a sickening scrape. So looking at prop and engine removal and repair. Maybe some battles with insurance company (QBE). I'm sure there are some here that can venture advice which is welcome.
Marauder Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Oh no Bob! What rotten news. Hopefully some members from that area can advise where to get some help. 1
fantom Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Damn....that airport is private I believe, and may have some culpability given the taxiway dip and manhole cover. Given your slow taxi RPM, I wouldn't be so anxious to tear down the engine, unless you're near TBO. May not be required. Stay calm, as best you can, Bob. 1
KSMooniac Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Damn, sorry to hear that Bob. I'm sure you've got enough hull insurance to cover this vs. getting the plane totaled, so best of luck going down that road. The insurance company might subrogate back to the airport, but that is their battle to fight. 1
Bob_Belville Posted October 8, 2013 Author Report Posted October 8, 2013 Engine is 700 sfrm. I took pictures of the taxiway, pretty dangerous spot, the gal in the office brought out 2 orange cones after the horse left the barn. The shop proposes sending the prop, a 4 year old Scimitar to New England Prop Service in Conn. The engine would go to Unlimited Aero Engines in Fitchburg MA. Gary, what would one make the call on tearing down the engine on? And with insurance involved should I take a chance? Anyone know either? The shop on the field was high on both...
N601RX Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Another thought would be to ferry the plane back to your home area so you can keep an eye on what work is being done. 1
fantom Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Another thought would be to ferry the plane back to your home area so you can keep an eye on what work is being done. Good idea. Hang a loaner prop on her, get a ferry permit, and take her home. Given your insurance company says OK, may as well tear the engine down, IF you have a good shop. My next premium will probably increase by a dollar or two because of this.
Bob_Belville Posted October 8, 2013 Author Report Posted October 8, 2013 Damn, sorry to hear that Bob. I'm sure you've got enough hull insurance to cover this vs. getting the plane totaled, so best of luck going down that road. The insurance company might subrogate back to the airport, but that is their battle to fight. I told the adjuster about the pavement. He said they are not likely to care about that, it's PIC responsibility to taxi safely, and unless there was very unusual circumstances it is a losing proposition for them to go after the airport.
KSMooniac Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Definitely agree about ferrying it to your home field or choice of shop so you won't be "held hostage" by an unknown entity to you. Work with your agent and prop shop and you can probably find a loaner prop to make it happen. Getting a ferry permit might be difficult with the partial gubmint shutdown right now, though. 2
Shadrach Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 I'm really sorry to read this Bob. Post some pics of the offending hole and prop. Not trying to be morbid, I just want to see the players involved. 1
aviatoreb Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 So sorry to hear it Bob. Bad news but thank you for sharing as a warning for all of us. 2
Bob_Belville Posted October 8, 2013 Author Report Posted October 8, 2013 I have a daughter here in Acton near 6B6 and I am satisfied with the maintenance manager here so I probably will not try to ferry it out. Looking at these pics I feel a little stupid to not have stayed on the line. I did not see the manhole cover. (The cones came out after my scrape.)
Bennett Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Sorry to hear about the prop strike. This could happen to any one of us, with our meager prop clearance. 3
John Pleisse Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Bob...that stinks!!! Hang in there , Buddy. 1
Cody Stallings Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 I have a loaner prop. Heartzell 2 blade. 2
Mooneymite Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Not all prop strikes are created equal! Sounds like yours was "significant", but your A&P will have to decide on the degree of inspection/teardown. Here's the AD that defines a prop strike and directs you to the Lycoming service bulletin: http://www.caa.si/fileadmin/user_upload/pageuploads/AD-NOTE/AD-2004/038_FAA_AD_2004-10-14.pdf The Lycoming bulletin is at: http://www.lycoming.com/Portals/0/techpublications/servicebulletins/SB%20475C%20(01-30-2003)/Crankshaft%20Gear%20Modification%20and%20Assembly%20Procedures.pdf Notice that while there is virtually no "wiggle room" on what constitutes a prop strike, other than the replacement of the crank bolt and lockplate, the AD doesn't address much else. Changing out the crank bolt does not entail splitting the case, just removing the accessory section and sump of the O-360. I have two acquaintances that had engine failure directly attributable to previous, un-reported "minor" prop strike damage. It is something to be taken very seriously. Think about that while flying over W. Virginia on a dark night. 2
TWinter Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Bob, Sorry to hear about the strike. Hoping for a speedy repair. No way to sugar-coat other than to say that just sucks. Hope the facility and insurance make it right. 1
OR75 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 sorry to hear about the mishap. The hole does not seem that deep although the pictures may not reflect the depth
Seth Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 SO SORRY! Hopefully your bird won't be down for too long. Smart to have it taken care of. -Seth
Shadrach Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 I have a daughter here in Acton near 6B6 and I am satisfied with the maintenance manager here so I probably will not try to ferry it out. Looking at these pics I feel a little stupid to not have stayed on the line. I did not see the manhole cover. (The cones came out after my scrape.) That's pretty nasty. really sorry to see that. How bad is the prop?
Marauder Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Bob -- in a very bad attempt to cheer you up, at least you weren't in a vintage warbird. The last I heard, the bill for this is suppose to come in at $300k.
fantom Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 I know this didn't happen to Bob, but for those of you watching your fancy iPad taxi diagrams rather than the taxiway, it's something to think about.
N33GG Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 That really sucks Bob. So sorry for you. The two airports I operate out of the most have some crappy taxi areas and it really makes me nervous in my Mooney, especially at night. Good luck with the repair. If it was my aircraft, I would definately have the engine torn down. But that's just me.
flyboy0681 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 As great an aircraft as the Mooney is, the 10 inch clearance from prop tip to pavement may be the worst in GA. Even the Cherokee series has a larger clearance.
Alan Fox Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Bob -- in a very bad attempt to cheer you up, at least you weren't in a vintage warbird. The last I heard, the bill for this is suppose to come in at $300k. My friend is repairing that Corsair , that's the "Cheap" Hamilton standard prop....Only 70K for the prop......Just the prop....
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