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Maybe look for another annunciator on ebay.

At least it's my mouth that I talk out of. I enjoy the way you ignore what's brought to your attention about the problems that have existed with the G500 that have nothing to do with Avidyne. Should this customer hold Garmin accountable or the shop that installed it? https://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=139908 The customer that posted here on Mooneyspace about their Avidyne/G500 problems has three choices: 1) Insist that the shop take the units back to a software combination, which does in fact exist, that was tested and approved and works. The shop should have done this in the first place. or 2) Wait for 10.2.1 from Avidyne, but do not update G500 software past 7.12 while waiting for 10.1.2 or 3) Sit and complain I know which one you would choose, hopefully the customer picks the 1st choice which gets him back in the air right away. Any of the three is fine with me since my Avidyne IFD550 is working beautifully.

If you do your research you'll see that Garmin has been chasing this issue in G500, 600, 950 and 1000 installations for years - long before Avidyne introduced the IFD540. They had issues when Garmin 530's and 430's were installed with G500's and when GIA63's were installed with G1000's, when GIA63W's were installed, etc, etc. This is not new - this has been going on for nearly 9 years. The vast majority of G500 owners are satisfied and haven't had problems. The ones who have had problems have been very frustrated. The vast majority of Avidyne owners are extremely satisfied. Spend some time at the Avidyne booth at Sun N' Fun or Oshkosh and you'll see it for yourself. According to Peter, if the same remedy is applied to Garmin as Avidyne, then all shops should drop Garmin and refuse to install any of their equipment. All owners should rip out the offending equipment and march down the streets of Olathe KS in protest. But what do most reasonable people do? They work through the issue until it's resolved. This is one of the prices we pay for progress. There are those who complain and there are those who get things done. Is it frustrating? Of course. Feedback will get any good company's attention. You have Avidyne's attention - they are working on it. I would be equally bending Garmin's ear as well since losing AHRS has been a weak spot in their glass panels. Installation manuals are good the day they are printed but subject to change. What is the difference between people who are staified and people who aren't? Many times it does come down to the competency of the shop that did the work: https://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=139908 Read through that thread and see if it was the manufacturer's fault or the fault of the shop that installed the equipment. What would it hurt to call Garmin and Avidyne Tech Support before major surgery on the panel to see how the current versions are playing with each other? This thread wouldn't exist if that had been done, but then there would be nothing to complain about.

Nothing wrong with that. That's why I said . . . . We all get to make our own choices. If it works for you and makes you happy go for it.

It is closing its eyes because it is afraid of the landing

For transition to a long body that type of training is invaluable. If they don't do it with him and learn how to recover they'll do it the first time at home and have a prop strike.

I agree completely, but I'd rather practice stable approaches with a nice smooth landing, nice roll out and a complete stop since that's what I want to do at the end of each flight. Muscle memory, practice what you want to repeat. In a 172 touch and goes are great practice in preparation for your license. The airplane is very forgiving with great clearance and a sturdy landing gear and best of all it's someone else's airplane. My first post on this subject said that I didn't want to accept the additional risk. I don't know what the accident rate is on high performance retractables doing touch and goes but I've heard of too many accidents to want any part of it. Plus adding full power that fast that many times on a turbo is not a good practice to get into. There's no one right answer though for everyone - do what you are comfortable with.

No, that's considered a bounce-and-get-the-heck-outta-there landing . . lol

A couple reasons. First, Distraction. In a long body if you bounce it in you better be on top of it and not distracted by fiddling with flaps or salvaging a landing, etc. You need to add some power immediately and go around. If it bounces hard twice there's a decent chance of a prop strike but if it goes three times it's almost assured. That's the most common accident on a long body is a porpoising following by a prop strike. I've never had one but based on what I've heard and read. Second, a gear up is always a prop strike . . lol. The prop strike is the more expensive of the two with a new prop and the engine teardown, etc. Also I noticed that on touch and goes the addition of power was not as smooth, kinda forced, and in a turbo that's not such a good thing.

1) Once again check your facts to avoid being wrong. Do your homework and you'll find that Garmin had other releases after 6.21 and before 7.12. 2) Obviously you meant November 2016 since November 2017 doesn't happen for 5 more months. Of course 7.12 wasn't in the Avidyne manual yet, it had just been released by Garmin that month. Hello . . . wake up . . . the fact that it wasn't in the manual should have been a clear indication that it may not be compatible. Why not make a phone call to verify? How could Avidyne possibly test Garmin's software before it's released? Another perfect example of the installer just assuming that everything is compatible. Why would Avidyne get blamed in this case and not Garmin? Actually neither company is to blame, once again it is the installer. We hold a mechanic responsible if he installs an incompatible part to that airframe. We hold a line person responsible who puts Jet-A in a piston airplane. Why wouldn't an installer be responsible if he installs software which is not compatible? 3) The one who you are giving the free pass to is the installer who simply needed to determine which versions of each software were compatible and then go with that. That person didn't do their job and the customer suffers. This is becoming more and more common as the boxes that are installed are more software driven. Both of these companies make excellent products but they have to have compatible software to function properly. Where the buck stops is the person who is signing the logs books. He is saying the current configuration is airworthy. If he hasn't verified that with the companies he is just guessing.

The risk of a gear-up or a prop strike is too high for touch and goes on high performance retractable airplanes for me.

No, because . . t-h-e s-h-o-p t-h-a-t d-i-d t-h-e w-o-r-k s-h-o-u-l-d h-a-v-e v-e-r-i-f-i-e-d c-o-m-p-a-t-i-b-i-l-i-t-y b-e-f-o-r-e t-h-e-y w-e-n-t a-h-e-a-d w-i-t-h a-n-y s-o-f-t-w-a-r-e u-p-d-a-t-e-s o-n e-i-t-h-e-r b-o-x. This may be hard to understand but not every version of software on one box is compatible with every version of software on another box. The person doing the updates is responsible to verify first.

I don't - they have none . . lol.

1) When you first say that I intentionally left out facts you opened the door. I am going to defend myself against your lies. 2) Yes you're right, Avidyne sits around all day peering into a crystal ball wondering who might be contemplating a software update. Then their crisis intervention department begins randomly dialing numbers hoping to reach the shop in time. It's a shame they were late in reaching this shop. Or maybe there's a better way . . . looking at it from the other point of view, maybe the shop would be earning their money by checking on the Garmin and Avidyne dealer websites to first verify that the combination has been tested or maybe even making a call before going ahead. I'm done. If you don't have the common sense to understand that you need more help than anyone on here can offer.

1) Once again, you are wrong and you offer nothing to back up your bogus claims. Avidyne locked down and submitted 10.2 to the FAA for approval in the summer of 2016. 2) It was already confirmed working with the current G500 software at the time. Garmin then released an optional update for the G500 GDU 7.12 in November 2016 (http://garmin.blogs.com/files/1665a_asdn.pdf). The FAA signed off on 10.2 in March 2017. Avidyne's update was also optional, not mandatory. I am going to say this slowly so even you can understand . . . t-h-e s-h-o-p t-h-a-t d-i-d t-h-e w-o-r-k s-h-o-u-l-d h-a-v-e v-e-r-i-f-i-e-d c-o-m-p-a-t-i-b-i-l-i-t-y b-e-f-o-r-e t-h-e-y w-e-n-t a-h-e-a-d w-i-t-h a-n-y s-o-f-t-w-a-r-e u-p-d-a-t-e-s o-n e-i-t-h-e-r b-o-x. 3) Avidyne responded the same day it was reported and was already investigating. Once again your claim that they were playing dumb is a complete lie. The silver lining in all of this is that the rest us go to bed every night thankful that we don't have to live with you or deal with you on a daily basis. When you make untrue statements on here though people will call you out, which they should. I really want to like you, but you make it so difficult. We are all very sympathetic to those who live with and work with you.

Your statement is completely false. Please get your facts straight before you make a comment on something you know nothing about. Since you own neither a G500 nor any Avidyne product your posts are long on theory complete devoid of fact. The G500 update was released after the Avidyne 10.2 update was complete and submitted for FAA approval. This was before it was approved and released, since it takes several months for this to happen. Once it is submitted there is no provision for revising it. While 10.2 was in the approval process the new G500 software was released. It would have been impossible to test 10.2 before it was submitted with the new Garmin software because Garmin hadn't released it yet. The avionics shop of the one who originally posted took a software combination that had never been confirmed compatible and installed it in a customer's airplane - that's where the problem is. Once again, I'm sure Avidyne is working on this and when 10.2.1 is released then they will let everyone know that's it's safe to update to the new G500 Software.

Avidyne has 1st class tech support. Before the IFD550 was approved Avidyne had a special for IFD540 owners to upgrade, which I did and swapped out myself. Zero install costs and a new warranty. I had to get my configurations right so that it talked to my traffic and weather so I called in this morning for the first time to Avidyne Tech Support. I never look forward to calling tech support in any company. To my surprise, a human, Jack Musgrave, answered on the second ring and asked me how my day was going. He could not possibly have been more helpful or have had a better attitude. He went into the lab and put the configurations in on the same setup I have and made sure before we were done that everything was working properly. He thanked me for calling and said that it makes his day so much better when he gets to talk to customers out in the field and that they learn so much by the way people are using these units. I already knew that Avidyne was a great company but this further confirmed it. I have no doubt that Avidyne will sort through the software upgrades that they and Garmin have made and will get the unit that this post is about talking to the new software version of the G500. Moving forward I think this post is a good lesson to all of us that have multiple boxes in the panel, whether the same or different brands, that we want to confirm compatibility before we allow anyone to do a software upgrade on any box. Garmin is a good company too, and to be honest once you finally do get through their phone system and wait on hold and end up talking to a person they are very competent as well, but whatever Avidyne is doing to keep people live Jack Musgrave motivated to do his job is working. I am really looking forward to the synthetic vision that Avidyne has on the IFD550. Also the redundancy of having another attitude reference to check. This is something that no one else offers on their GPS/NAV/COM.

And the 10% coupon is worth $1500 when you see what they are planning to charge.

That's an ingenious design, simple but effective.

The pictures are great resolution, makes it easy to see the flaws in the paint job. If the painter is going to take on a complicated paint design, he needs to be able to do it. No way should the one who paid for this have accepted it that way. Cutting corners puts up a red flag for me. If you're going to do something, do it right.

It's probably the Seller's friend shill bidding. http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/seller-shill-bidding.html He's had bids before which would have won the auction and then look a week or two later it's back up for sale.

Good job

The Gloss White is pretty much an exact match for the "Really White:" factory color. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/aircraftcoatings.php?clickkey=456519&PANEL=292Click%2BHere%2Bfor%2BSlick%2BStyle%252FabrA%2BHREF%253D This primer in green is a good choice: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/aircraftcoatings.php?clickkey=456519&PANEL=292Click%2BHere%2Bfor%2BSlick%2BStyle%252FabrA%2BHREF%253D

The search feature on Mooneyspace is your friend:

Now if only Peter would work on his