Ovation vs Eagle

[Cruiser]

What is the difference between these two modern models?

 

I know the original differences of engine power and panel avionics but is the airframe and/or the interior any different?

 

In other words if the Eagle engine were upgraded to the Ovation configuration and the avionics were the same would the Eagle be an Ovation?

[bd32322]

What is the difference between these two modern models?

 

I know the original differences of engine power and panel avionics but is the airframe and/or the interior any different?

 

In other words if the Eagle engine were upgraded to the Ovation configuration and the avionics were the same would the Eagle be an Ovation?

And the prop also needs to change I think. As far as I know, the eagle would then be the same as the ovation.

[jhbehrens]

I own an Eagle and I have done the 310HP Screamin' Eagle upgrade (which is about the prop and the governor) which actually puts it above the factory 280HP Ovation in power.

 

However I always understood the Eagle has less elaborate sound insulation as part of its more modest cabin interior. Never saw any confirmation of that though so I'd be interested if anyone knew.

 

Jorgen

[harrispa]

I own a 2001 Eagle II, one of the last ones made.  Mine came from the factory with most of the Ovation  equipment.  The Ovation and Eagle have the same engine, the IO550-G.  The only difference is the rpm certified on the Eagle is 2400 and on the Ovation 1&2 it is 2500, then the Ovation 3 is 2700.  The standard prop on the Eagle is a 2 blade certified for the 2400 rpm, the Ovation 1 & 2  could have a 2 or three blade for the 2500 rpm, and the Ovation3 has a Hartzell 3 blade which allows the 2700 rpm under STC installed at the factory.  Any of the Eagles or Ovations can be STC'd to allow the 2700 rpm and 310 hp with the Hartzell prop.  Also, the Eagle can be STC'd to the 280hp with the proper prop.  I have compared my Eagle to Ovations I have seen and can tell no difference in the airframe and very little difference in the interior. As for noise, I cannot say since I have not had a ride in an Ovation.  I fly with ANR headsets and of course have no noise problems.  My Eagle came with speedbrakes, Oxygen, a 3 blade prop and avionics upgrades from the factory.  The fuel capacity is another item that the POH says is considered full (75gal) at the bottom of a stanpipe in the tank..  In reality it will hold the same as the Ovation, you just have to be patient if you want the additional fuel.  I have not had the need for the additional fuel, but I know the capacity is there if I want to take a long non-stop flight.

 

You will find other past discussions on the Eagle if you search this forum.  I am very happy with my Eagle.

[Cris]

I know the original differences of engine power and panel avionics but is the airframe and/or the interior any different?
 
In other words if the Eagle engine were upgraded to the Ovation configuration and the avionics were the same would the Eagle be an Ovation?

[N601RX]

Here is a year/model comparison.

 

http://www.mooneyevents.com/chrono.htm

[Hank]

Tom--

 

It's good to see you still hanging out and looking for a new ride. Hope everything goes well for you up on the Lake. I'm saddened that the Indy Airshow was canceled this year.

[Cruiser]

Hank,

 

Time for you to make the trip. We have a beautiful new museum and a great restaurant on the field now (KPCW)

 

The museum is home to Georgie's Gal a WW2 North American B-25 Mitchell Bomber. She was out flying a couple of days ago for the first time this spring.

 

The Tin Goose Diner has great food and a view of the airfield from the approach end of RWY 36. I'm buying.

[carusoam]

Long body with 2700rpm and TopProp is my favorite attributes of the O3...

Leather interior and paint can be added by an artful shop and a G1000 isn't high on my list.

All can be added to the Eagle, beware STCs or $TCs apply!

One thing to keep in mind, according to the FAA, the Ovation is an M20R and the Eagle is an M20S. You will want to make sure that any STCs you have in mind will apply to the airframe you are looking at...

I briefly considered turbo normalizing my R. Unfortunately, the TN IO550(G) is not available to the R's A/F.

That would have been a hoot. For a few additional MUs getting Acclaim power without the G1000 headaches!!!

Cris' Eagle has eye opening performance...

My thoughts,

-a-

[butchgilbert]

I have a good friend who owns an Eagle, and I have flown with him extensively.  The main difference IMHO is that the Eagle has the Moritz gauges which elevates the glare shield about 3" higher than any Mooney without these gauges.  It takes a little while to get used to even less forward visibility, but you get used to it.

[KSMooniac]

I think one major difference in favor of the Eagle is the more basic instrument panel/avionics package.  Less to maintain, lighter weight, etc.  Eagles make great candidates for an Aspen or G500 upgrade too.

[harrispa]

The Moritz gauges are not unique to the Eagle, the Ovation has them also, at least in some years.  You can see this if you look at panel pictures of Ovations for sale on Controller or TAP.  I don't see any difference in the panel height of an Ovation and the EAgle.

[carusoam]

Ovations, Eagles and Bravos have the same IP prior to Moritz gauges being used....

Best regards,

-a-

[duke]

I love the to and climb with the 310 hp and composite prop on mine. A real eye opener

[carusoam]

How's the shut down with the composite prop?

I saw that on an SR22, "unusual" came to mind. Could have been pilot skil...

It's like an engine with a light weight flywheel, more or less.

Two thumbs up on the 310hp and TopProp!

Best regards,

-a-

[N177MC]

The Eagles are so light that they had to put about 30lbs of lead in the tail !  

 

No kidding, even with the dual batteries out back, they still needed to counter the 3 blade & IO-550 .

 

Does the lite-weight composite prop allow one to remove the lead in the tail ?

 

Ifso, you get a 2-4-1 weight savings with that !

[carusoam]

The Charley weights are in the back of the Ovation as well, until additions of equipment go in there.

O2 bottle, remote electronic devices, A/P, and anti-ice equipment are couple of things that get added to replace weights with functionality.

Three blade TopProp is the heaviest prop on a long negative arm. The two-bladed Eagle saves a couple pounds in that area.

I'm not a big "fan" of the composite prop yet. It is light weight and a good technology but is missing the rotational inertia of a typical fly wheel. Ever watch one of these stop when turned off? It doesn't run down then stop like an ordinary engine...

If you are buying an Eagle, look for one with the 310 HP and TopProp or consider adding one. Keep an eye out for the four bladed MT prop in the near future???

Good = 240 HP. Good speed, longer take-off distances, smaller fuel tanks.

Better = 280 HP.

Best = 310 HP. Great speed, shorter take-off distances, 100 gal fuel tanks.

That's my less than professional opinion. Ymmv.

Best regards,

-a-

[bd32322]

The Charley weights are in the back of the Ovation as well, until additions of equipment go in there.

O2 bottle, remote electronic devices, A/P, and anti-ice equipment are couple of things that get added to replace weights with functionality.

Three blade TopProp is the heaviest prop on a long negative arm. The two-bladed Eagle saves a couple pounds in that area.

I'm not a big "fan" of the composite prop yet. It is light weight and a good technology but is missing the rotational inertia of a typical fly wheel. Ever watch one of these stop when turned off? It doesn't run down then stop like an ordinary engine...

If you are buying an Eagle, look for one with the 310 HP and TopProp or consider adding one. Keep an eye out for the four bladed MT prop in the near future???

Good = 240 HP. Good speed, longer take-off distances, smaller fuel tanks.

Better = 280 HP.

Best = 310 HP. Great speed, shorter take-off distances, 100 gal fuel tanks.

That's my less than professional opinion. Ymmv.

Best regards,

-a-

What climb rates do you get at 12k, 18k in the 310 hp ovation. I believe thats what you have right?

[harrispa]

My Eagle has a three blade prop up front and does not have any weight in the tail. As bd32322 said it depends on the equipment and the Eagle is no different than the Ovation in that regard.  Another way to look at the difference between the Eagle and Ovation:

 

Original Eagle 244hp @2400rpm, if you cruise at 2400rpm the speed is identical in the Eagle or Ovation.  In other words, at the same rpm, the Eagle and Ovation will have the same cruise speed with some small differences depending on the prop.  The Eagle needs an STC to run at an rpm higher than 2400. The STC requires the correct prop and other small changes.  As far as the fuel tank capacity, The Eagle again is the same as the Ovation, it just has a "neck" or tube at the top of the tank and is considered full at the bottom of the tube.  You can fill it further, it just takes patience to fill it all the way to the top.

 

 

With the higher hp (rpm), you do obviously gain in shorter takeoff distance and better climb which is not available with the original 244hp Eagle. 

[duke]

Might be something with flywheel effect, I am having a bit of as problem when taxing slow and bringing engine back to slow idle with eng quiting. happens ocasionaly when hot. Increased the idle 50 rpm and is better, but not 100% yet. Am going to play with mix settings and idle rpm when weather warms up a bit. It just doesn't idle at low rpms as nice as I would like.