Trevor Jacob Gets Jail Time

[GeeBee]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/santa-barbara-county-man-sentenced-6-months-prison-obstructing-federal-probe-plane

[RoundTwo]

13 minutes ago, GeeBee said:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/santa-barbara-county-man-sentenced-6-months-prison-obstructing-federal-probe-plane

He should be able to get plenty of content while inside.

[hammdo]

For his only fans channel? 
 

I know - shouldn’t say that…

-Don

[Hank]

That seems like a pretty mild sentence to me.

[dzeleski]

5 minutes ago, Hank said:

That seems like a pretty mild sentence to me.

Considering he just posted a completely cringe worthy video about how hes sorry but he still got his license back.... Im guessing no lesson was learned here. How the FAA allows Trevor to have a cert after doing what he did mean while Trent is still fighting with the FAA over an inspection pass on private property is nothing short of complete insanity.

[EricJ]

Just now, dzeleski said:

Considering he just posted a completely cringe worthy video about how hes sorry but he still got his license back.... Im guessing no lesson was learned here. How the FAA allows Trevor to have a cert after doing what he did mean while Trent is still fighting with the FAA over an inspection pass on private property is nothing short of complete insanity.

Every time I see Trent talk about how badly he's being treated a little more comes out that makes me think maybe he's really being treated fairly.   He only tells his side, which just seems to sound worse as time goes on (to me, anyway).

[dzeleski]

1 minute ago, EricJ said:

Every time I see Trent talk about how badly he's being treated a little more comes out that makes me think maybe he's really being treated fairly.   He only tells his side, which just seems to sound worse as time goes on (to me, anyway).

We will find out soon enough because the case is going to come outside of the FAA and into public record. Personally I think the person who reported him knows someone. I think once this case comes out from the internal FAA arbitration one of two things will happen, either Trent is a complete liar or grossly misrepresenting what he did... OR the FAA is incompetent.

Your point is quite valid however.

[midlifeflyer]

2 hours ago, dzeleski said:

We will find out soon enough because the case is going to come outside of the FAA and into public record. Personally I think the person who reported him knows someone. I think once this case comes out from the internal FAA arbitration one of two things will happen, either Trent is a complete liar or grossly misrepresenting what he did... OR the FAA is incompetent.

Your point is quite valid however.

It’s in the public record. Jacob pleaded guilty to criminal obstruction of justice in US District Court by lying and destroying evidence during the course of the investigation.

[hammdo]

And posted videos on YouTube too - if it’s a real accident, how did he get all those camera angles to post? No brainier for the courts on this one…

-Don

[dzeleski]

40 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said:

It’s in the public record. Jacob pleaded guilty to criminal obstruction of justice in US District Court by lying and destroying evidence during the course of the investigation.

Sorry, I was referring to Trent’s case. It’s all been internal hearings not within the judicial system.

[flyboy0681]

I remember the incident vividly when it occurred, but I was totally unaware that he removed and disposed of the wreckage until I just read the link.  Like Hank said, his was a very mild sentence.

[GeeBee]

The FAA has nothing to do with this case. He obstructed the NTSB including not complying with NTSB 830. The FAR's mean nothing here, this is violation of the NTSB regulations.

[201er]

4 minutes ago, GeeBee said:

The FAA has nothing to do with this case. He obstructed the NTSB including not complying with NTSB 830. The FAR's mean nothing here, this is violation of the NTSB regulations.

91.13

[Hank]

1 minute ago, 201er said:

91.13

Yep. Didn't he (the yahoo who filmed his non-accidental crash, whatever his name is) already have an emergency revocation of his license? So he can start over like Martha Lunken did, if he still wants to fly. 

[GeeBee]

30 minutes ago, 201er said:

91.13

Nope. That is how he lost his license. That is the FAA case.  Read the DOJ press release. 

"Jacob pleaded guilty on June 30 to one count of destruction and concealment with the intent to obstruct a federal investigation."

That is what sent him to jail. Obstructing the NTSB investigation. It is a separate violation of another agencies regulations.

 

[midlifeflyer]

10 hours ago, GeeBee said:

The FAA has nothing to do with this case. He obstructed the NTSB including not complying with NTSB 830. The FAR's mean nothing here, this is violation of the NTSB regulations.

10 hours ago, GeeBee said:

That is what sent him to jail. Obstructing the NTSB investigation. It is a separate violation of another agencies regulations.

Almost but not quite correct.

Trevor was not convicted of violating an FAA or NTSB regulation. No, NTSB 830 does not have criminal penalties. He was convicted of violating a federal criminal statute punishing obstruction of justice by lying to investigators and concealing evidence during a federal investigation.

The investigation was by both the FAA and the NTSB, but the statute  applies more generally. Thunk Martha Stewart.

 

[midlifeflyer]

10 hours ago, Hank said:

Yep. Didn't he (the yahoo who filmed his non-accidental crash, whatever his name is) already have an emergency revocation of his license? So he can start over like Martha Lunken did, if he still wants to fly. 

Yes, and he may have already reapplied. But that’s about to violating FAA regulations. This sentencing is about criminal behavior during the investigation into the fake accident. 

[GeeBee]

12 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said:

Almost but not quite correct.

Trevor was not convicted of violating an FAA or NTSB regulation. No, NTSB 830 does not have criminal penalties. He was convicted of violating a federal criminal statute punishing obstruction of justice by lying to investigators and concealing evidence during a federal investigation.

The investigation was by both the FAA and the NTSB, but the statute  applies more generally. Thunk Martha Stewart.

 

You are correct, but I was pointing out that 91.13 was not what got him the jail. It was the obstruction of the NTSB.

 

[ArtVandelay]

He posted a video bragging about getting his license back and only doing 6 months in prison. Probably getting more clicks. Here’s a link, I didn’t watch it as I refuse to reward stupidity.

[midlifeflyer]

14 hours ago, dzeleski said:

Sorry, I was referring to Trent’s case. It’s all been internal hearings not within the judicial system.

Trent Palmer’s case is currently within the judicial system. You can read the NTSB decision. It was appealed and the case is pending in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. Quite public, but not much to hear about right now. Palmer’s appellate brief is due December 11; the FAA reply In January.
 

 

[midlifeflyer]

11 minutes ago, GeeBee said:

You are correct, but I was pointing out that 91.13 was not what got him the jail. It was the obstruction of the NTSB.

 

Actually both the FAA and NTSB. Both agencies were involved in the investigation ,

[GeeBee]

They were, but once the NTSB enters an investigation, the FAA becomes a participant and a subordinate because even their actions or lack thereof becomes subject.

 

[midlifeflyer]

26 minutes ago, GeeBee said:

They were, but once the NTSB enters an investigation, the FAA becomes a participant and a subordinate because even their actions or lack thereof becomes subject.

 

The FAA was also investigating for their own purposed - the violation that resulted in revocation.

But I guess I will have to go with your take rather than the court documents.

"In addition, on December 2, 2021, during a phone interview with FAA Aviation Safety Inspector E.B., defendant falsely stated that the airplane engine had quit, and, because defendant could not identify any safe landing options, defendant parachuted out of the airplane."

[GeeBee]

I am going by the press release which said, "

"Jacob pleaded guilty on June 30 to one count of destruction and concealment with the intent to obstruct a federal investigation."

It is my understanding lying is different than destruction and concealment. Maybe I am wrong, but lying is usually "obstruction" or perjury. What you quote above is true, but that is not what he pleaded.

 

 

[Hank]

33 minutes ago, GeeBee said:

I am going by the press release which said, "

"Jacob pleaded guilty on June 30 to one count of destruction and concealment with the intent to obstruct a federal investigation."

It is my understanding lying is different than destruction and concealment. Maybe I am wrong, but lying is usually "obstruction" or perjury. What you quote above is true, but that is not what he pleaded.

I'm sorry, but I'm not used to reading media accounts of trials and finding that the defendant's plea matches the defendant's actions . . . . .