Camguard question.

[Pinecone]

At $1.75 an ounce, and being Mooney owner, I can't do that.

 

[jetdriven]

It's eventually gonna eat all the camguard.  The rest of the plane is eventually gonnna eat your whole bank account. 

[RobertGary1]

On 2/10/2023 at 5:26 AM, Pinecone said:

DUH.  I was wondering how to add when adding oil.  I actually have as syringe designed to measure oil for premix.

I would add the Cam Gaurd to the oil in the bottle, shake it, then add to the engine.

Wow that’s intense. I just pour roughly 1/2 bottle to taste. 

[mike_elliott]

1) buy a case of oil

2) open all 12 bottles

For X=1-12

3) measure the correct amount of CG for a quart and pour into one of the open quarts

4) replace cap

If X <12

x=x+1

go to 3)

End

[Will.iam]

I use a 60mm syringe i got from amazon. Easy to pull 47mm or 50mm if you are sloppy and squirt it into a quart of oil. I do this for 3 quarts. I then pour the rest of the bottle in to the engine when i put 7 quarts in the engine at oil change. After a test run and the oil filter takes up about a quart I’m at 6.5 and i have 3 bottles of makeup oil for adding until next oil change. I label them with a sharpie so that I don’t mix them up with other oil bottles that don’t have camguard mixed with them yet. If i change oil early due to time and not hours, i keep the mixed bottles as extras until i have collected 7 bottles then i just use those at the next oil change. Thus I’m only having to measure out 3 bottles at a time for each oil change and i do that measuring out when I’m waiting for the oil to drain out when I’m doing the oil change anyways so not much time or mess in my book. 

[Mac80]

On 2/10/2023 at 11:05 PM, 0TreeLemur said:

My question is not about how to measure the correct amount.  I've got a graduated cylinder but I won't carry that around in my plane.   It'll make a mess.  Any old container will create a cleaning chore that I'd rather not deal with.  So I'm mostly interested in how folks do it.  As @bluehighwayflyer noted above, he's been using a technique that requires him to clean a container.   The special bottle referenced above by @SKIseems like a good idea.   Similar to the container that Stabil gasoline preservative comes in.  Interesting to hear how people do things.

I pour in about 1.6000 oz from camguard bottle into the P66 quart bottle. I may check to see I got enough in from clear view indicator.
Then pour the P66 quart + camguard with their blue spout that comes with case of oil and pour all in at once. 
At annual I use a magic marker to mark the level on the clear view indicator I want mechanic to stop at for 7 quarts. He is close enough.

[Pinecone]

I just used an oil measuring syringe (linked previously) to remove 1.6 ounces from the CamGuard bottle and put it into a full quart of Philips XC 20W-50, TWICE.  I marked each old bottle with CG in Sharpie.

So the CamGuard bottle has the right amount for an oil change (8 quarts) and I have 2 quarts for top up with CamGuard already added.  

If I ever get to 10 quarts with CamGuard added, I will just use 8 of them for the next oil change.

[MikeOH]

13 hours ago, Mac80 said:

I pour in about 1.6000 oz 

“About” 1.6000 oz??  So, no more than 1.6002 nor less than 1.5998 oz, or?

[Mooney Pit]

If you are flying regularly and change oil on the regular (ev ery 50 hours) then you don't need camguard. If your plane sits then I would use it. Also, get your oil analyzed at each oil change and the lab can determine if there is any abnormal wear. I fly regularly (at least once weekly) and my oil analysis is terrific. I use Phillips X/C and no cam guard. Just my humble opinion.

[201er]

4 minutes ago, Mooney Pit said:

If you are flying regularly and change oil on the regular (ev ery 50 hours) then you don't need camguard. If your plane sits then I would use it. Also, get your oil analyzed at each oil change and the lab can determine if there is any abnormal wear. I fly regularly (at least once weekly) and my oil analysis is terrific. I use Phillips X/C and no cam guard. Just my humble opinion.

"Regularly" means daily or about every 3 days at most. Flight school, rental, charter type stuff. Most weekend warriors don't fit the bill for "regularly".

[Yetti]

Walmart has some really nice Meat Injection syringes.  They have measurements on the side.  And they self clean.   Also can be used for brake fluid filling.   Also get 2 of  the plastic $3.00 oil bottle filler screw on tube.  has an on off switch on it.   Keeps from making a mess.   I just leave it on the bottle.   The second one if for the plane.   Holy crap they are $10.00 now they were $3 when I bought them.   https://www.walmart.com/ip/Trans-And-Oil-Spout/16889149?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=2222222222716889149_149260533824_18620663423&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=628682971637&wl4=aud-1651068665186:pla-337880935403&wl5=9027898&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=16889149&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQiA0oagBhDHARIsAI-Bbgcish3vList7bE6Mli2g8AcS3sOkgh5eWgbXgiyjvPJgynE98VctRIaAomQEALw_wcB

[Yetti]

Trick number 2 is to use a Turkey baster to remove fluid when you need to.

[philiplane]

13 hours ago, Mooney Pit said:

If you are flying regularly and change oil on the regular (ev ery 50 hours) then you don't need camguard. If your plane sits then I would use it. Also, get your oil analyzed at each oil change and the lab can determine if there is any abnormal wear. I fly regularly (at least once weekly) and my oil analysis is terrific. I use Phillips X/C and no cam guard. Just my humble opinion.

Phillips XC has no corrosion protection whatsoever, so you would need to fly every few days to ensure oil stays on the engine's vital parts.

Camguard is the best option to provide corrosion protection for engines that sit for weeks in between flights.

[201Steve]

You measuring  guys are crazy. And don’t give me the “I’m an engineer” line. You’re just plane psycho. Give it a little splash and go cure cancer. 

[201Steve]

Pun intended. 

[Jim Peace]

10 hours ago, philiplane said:

Phillips XC has no corrosion protection whatsoever,

What about the 20/50 Victory?

[jetdriven]

No corrrosion protection.  It has the anti scuff additive TPP. Which actually causes corrosion. 

[RobertGary1]

I just use 1/2 bottle at oil change. Exact measurements aren’t necessary 

[Pinecone]

On 3/2/2023 at 9:50 AM, MikeOH said:

“About” 1.6000 oz??  So, no more than 1.6002 nor less than 1.5998 oz, or?

I am an engineer.

Keyboard is repeating, mainly numbers.

[Pinecone]

2 hours ago, RobertGary1 said:

I just use 1/2 bottle at oil change. Exact measurements aren’t necessary 

1/2 bottle is right if you only put in 5 quarts of oil

[RobertGary1]

13 minutes ago, Pinecone said:

1/2 bottle is right if you only put in 5 quarts of oil

I put 6 and call it even 

[Pinecone]

Up to you.  But if the maker says 1.6 ounces per quart, I try to hit near that.  You are at 1.33

[MikeOH]

1 hour ago, Pinecone said:

Up to you.  But if the maker says 1.6 ounces per quart, I try to hit near that.  You are at 1.33

OH, the horror!! I’m sure his camshaft and lifters are minutes away from destruction

[Mooney in Oz]

In part from the Shell website:

 AEROSHELL 100 PLUS

AeroShell 100 Plus

Modern Additives come to Aviation Engine Oil

Shell has developed a new aviation monograde which takes advantage of modern additive technology. This oil, AeroShell Oil W100 Plus, is a SAE 50 grade similar to the traditional W100 grade, but includes an anti wear additive, an anti corrosion additive and a metal passivator.

How is Camguard any different from the W100 Plus additive?

[MikeOH]

29 minutes ago, Mooney in Oz said:

In part from the Shell website:

 AEROSHELL 100 PLUS

AeroShell 100 Plus

Modern Additives come to Aviation Engine Oil

Shell has developed a new aviation monograde which takes advantage of modern additive technology. This oil, AeroShell Oil W100 Plus, is a SAE 50 grade similar to the traditional W100 grade, but includes an anti wear additive, an anti corrosion additive and a metal passivator.

How is Camguard any different from the W100 Plus additive?

Beats me, but 100+ is what I’ve been running on my now 2600 SMOH engine for the past five years…probably because I’m too lazy to measure out 1.6000000 oz