Mooney217RN Posted October 5, 2020 Report Posted October 5, 2020 Has anyone done the recently released G1000 software upgrade and what can I anticipate on completion? Ovation is in today for it. Quote
Danb Posted October 5, 2020 Report Posted October 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mooney217RN said: Has anyone done the recently released G1000 software upgrade and what can I anticipate on completion? Ovation is in today for it. What is the cost, and other than the ADSB info being provided what other items will be provided Quote
Mooney217RN Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Danb said: What is the cost, and other than the ADSB info being provided what other items will be provided Well, I just heard from the avionics shop - the software will not load/update. I already had ADSB in/out on the G1000 with a GTX345R. The cost is irrelevant, as they cannot figure out why the software won't load. Quote
Danb Posted October 5, 2020 Report Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Mooney217RN said: Well, I just heard from the avionics shop - the software will not load/update. I already had ADSB in/out on the G1000 with a GTX345R. The cost is irrelevant, as they cannot figure out why the software won't load. Good point, I was curious if there was a cost benefit Quote
StevenL757 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Posted October 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Mooney217RN said: Well, I just heard from the avionics shop - the software will not load/update. I already had ADSB in/out on the G1000 with a GTX345R. The cost is irrelevant, as they cannot figure out why the software won't load. The new update is intended to provide NEXRAD capability to GTX345R-equipped aircraft. The software is apparently aircraft-specific, so I'd have your shop double-check what error(s) - if any - they're getting, and don't hesitate to contact Garmin for guidance. Steve Quote
Mooney217RN Posted October 5, 2020 Author Report Posted October 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, StevenL757 said: The new update is intended to provide NEXRAD capability to GTX345R-equipped aircraft. The software is apparently aircraft-specific, so I'd have your shop double-check what error(s) - if any - they're getting, and don't hesitate to contact Garmin for guidance. Steve They can't even get the software to load. That's the error. They contacted Mooney & Garmin, looks like the bugs haven't been worked out of this yet. Quote
Mcstealth Posted October 5, 2020 Report Posted October 5, 2020 I am sure you are disappointed. Please be patient. They may still figure it out. Quote
Mooney217RN Posted October 6, 2020 Author Report Posted October 6, 2020 Update for those who care to know or who are considering doing this update. The G1000 update requires that your aircraft be WAAS enabled AND be equipped with a GFC 700 auto-pilot. Unfortunately, I have neither. You live & learn Mooney Aircraft was very helpful in trying to explain this issue in detail to us. Quote
carusoam Posted October 6, 2020 Report Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mooney217RN said: Update for those who care to know or who are considering doing this update. The G1000 update requires that your aircraft be WAAS enabled AND be equipped with a GFC 700 auto-pilot. Unfortunately, I have neither. You live & learn Mooney Aircraft was very helpful in trying to explain this issue in detail to us. Bummer.... Thanks for the follow-up... that will be helpful for others... RN, do you know who gave you the insight from Mooney? (Just wondering) Best regards, -a- Quote
Mooney217RN Posted October 6, 2020 Author Report Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, carusoam said: Bummer.... Thanks for the follow-up... that will be helpful for others... Best regards, -a- I followed up just for that reason. It will be helpful for those who think they might be able to get the G1000 upgrade. Won't work for all. 1 Quote
buddy Posted October 7, 2020 Report Posted October 7, 2020 Well that sucks I was just going to buy it for the heck of it just to help them out but I guess I’ll just have to stick with XM and weather from the GTX345R on ForeFlight. Quote
Mooney217RN Posted October 7, 2020 Author Report Posted October 7, 2020 20 hours ago, buddy said: Well that sucks I was just going to buy it for the heck of it just to help them out but I guess I’ll just have to stick with XM and weather from the GTX345R on ForeFlight. Buddy- Don't waste your time, $$$ or resources on this. I thought it would be a great idea to get the NEXRAD weather, I already have traffic from my GTX 345R. The software upgrade would only give me the NEXRAD data, and I already have XM Weather. The way it was explained to me, Mooney had the upgrade written by Garmin to address the most common configuration, the G1000 WAAS enabled equipped with the GFC 700 autopilot. Short of that, the software upgrade will not work. Quote
Bentonck Posted October 7, 2020 Report Posted October 7, 2020 I saw that Mooney announced they are going to offer an upgrade up to NXii at some point for the legacy G1000 platforms which would probably get me all the nifty features I feel like I'm missing but I read on Garmin's site that all the other upgrades for Cessna and Diamond have as a prerequisite WAAS as well so if you don't have WAAS, and they aren't building any more of the GIA-W units, that it's still a dead end.... Quote
carusoam Posted October 7, 2020 Report Posted October 7, 2020 This is where you want to hold back on showing your Level of excitement... The G1000 has had too much fluff promised in the past that has been incredibly hard for them to deliver... Price, time, dates, and economy... by the time some updates arrived, they cost too much to afford, by the time they were affordable, the updates were no longer available... The added challenge was Mooney is involved and is a required partner for Garmin... to get updates... If you have the engine monitor in an Ovation’s G1000... You may still see if the ship’s EGT gauge is labeled TIT.... A simple label challenge that doesn’t get updated properly... Best regards, -a- Quote
Jeff_S Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 It was disappointing to learn that the latest system upgrade won't be available for those of us still saddled with the S-TEC 55x. But not too disappointing. Even with the NXi (or NXii, or whatever they're calling it these days) the basic operation of the G1000 seems like it's still pretty much the same. Frankly, I would guess that most pilots use less than 10% of all the gewgaws that keep getting put into the upgrades. I am starting to feel that way about ForeFlight; while I love the application and use it for every flight, most of the new features they are putting in are either a) targeting professional/corporate pilots, or b) nice to have but not really essential to my regular needs. There's a word for it in my industry: feature creep. So at this point, as long as the system I have still operates and is able to be repaired when needed, I'm happy.* There are other ways to upgrade the airplane overall that I think would be more beneficial to my personal flying and safety. I should really explore GAMI injectors to see if I can bring my LOP spread down a bit. Electronic ignition might be of value. Maybe the lighter-weight Acclaim prop, or that new cowling that Mooney is now promising. Those all sound like a more meaningful investment in the plane to me. *Corollary: if the time comes this isn't true, then I will be unhappy! At that point, I designate the plane as experimental, rip out the whole panel and build my own! 1 Quote
Mooney217RN Posted October 8, 2020 Author Report Posted October 8, 2020 it's really no big deal. Mooney actually thought that all the STEC 55X units were replaced. But even that doesn't matter, you still need to have the WAAS units and convert. My issue is that where I am based, you don't even think of flying in hard IMC due to the weather associated with it and the terrain (high altitude field). Compounding that, few airports that I fly into have WAAS approaches with vertical guidance. We finally got a WAAS approach at my home airport, but if you're flying through IMC here, you're flying through icing, period. I fly into SQL just SE of SFO; no WAAS approach there last I checked. RNO has a WAAS approach, but they have an ILS. I have never been motivated to upgrade to WAAS in my Ovation or prior in my E Model which had a 530. It just didn't pay. As it ends up, my Ovation is equipped with XM, so I get weather anyway. The real benefit of this software upgrade was to get NEXRAD in the cockpit through the G1000. How much do you really want to pay for one feature? Certainly not worth the equipment upgrade. You are correct, the difference between the G1000 and the newest G1000 NXi is negligible. Better graphics, but that's the biggest thing I see. I have a friend who bought a new SR-22 GTX? GTS? last year. Her G1000 is the latest & greatest; not a whole lot of difference. Quote
Bentonck Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 Well, don't tell anyone here but I bought into a 2015 Cirrus SR22 with the Perspective system, so I would have a decent plane to fly when I am in the US (I was renting worn out Piper Archers and when the time came last time that the engine wouldn't start I decided it was time to find another alternative) ... other than the level button and the keypad that makes loading flight plans or frequency changes a bit faster there really isn't any difference between that and my G1000 in the 2007 Acclaim. I am not concerned about features at all, just about being orphaned out of a panel at some point if I can't upgrade it to the NXii without the WAAS enabled GIA units.... ....and yes the Cirrus gives up a lot of speed .... it is way more roomier for passangers and carries roughly a crap-ton more but my Acclaim can keep up with it at 24" of MP burning less fuel....and then I can hit the gas 1 Quote
Lee A. Posted December 18, 2020 Report Posted December 18, 2020 I think there is something wrong as the g1000 only displays fis-b nexrad within 200 mile box, even though the gtx345r is sending nexrad for CONUS. WILL have to look into it and see if a configuration setting was missed. The update has fixed a few other minor bugs, which I can’t remember exactly what they were, but gone now. Quote
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