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[cbarry]

Very thorough video.  Thanks for sharing!

 

[Piotrekpdx]

$16,000 in labor is just stupid. I know I’m going to get a lot of flack for stating this but in a a true competitive environment, where a lot of the labor is done by a $12/hour fresh out of school mechanic, this would never be the case. 
I know it’s apples and oranges but a brand new car can be built and assembled for less than that and that includes labor, materials, computers and an engines. 
A $900 iPad is more powerful than the stuff that we put in for $10,000 and its price includes assembly and parts. If I could fly to China or Mexico to get this all built and installed for a grand total of $5,000 I would do it right away. We are being screwed over by the FAA and the mechanics royally and are happily accepting it. I think it’s pretty messed up. 
That’s just my 2 cents. Sorry for the unpopular opinion. 

[ArtVandelay]

Why the all caps subject line?

[aviatoreb]

6 hours ago, Piotrekpdx said:

$16,000 in labor is just stupid. I know I’m going to get a lot of flack for stating this but in a a true competitive environment, where a lot of the labor is done by a $12/hour fresh out of school mechanic, this would never be the case. 
I know it’s apples and oranges but a brand new car can be built and assembled for less than that and that includes labor, materials, computers and an engines. 
A $900 iPad is more powerful than the stuff that we put in for $10,000 and its price includes assembly and parts. If I could fly to China or Mexico to get this all built and installed for a grand total of $5,000 I would do it right away. We are being screwed over by the FAA and the mechanics royally and are happily accepting it. I think it’s pretty messed up. 
That’s just my 2 cents. Sorry for the unpopular opinion. 

I agree except I want to just say lets not blame the mechanics.  I am very friendly with the mechanics at my home field and I will say they are squeaking by.  We need to blame the system, and process that got us here, maybe the FBOs sometimes, but not the working stiffs.

[AH-1 Cobra Pilot]

8 hours ago, Piotrekpdx said:

$16,000 in labor is just stupid. I know I’m going to get a lot of flack for stating this but in a a true competitive environment, where a lot of the labor is done by a $12/hour fresh out of school mechanic, this would never be the case. 
I know it’s apples and oranges but a brand new car can be built and assembled for less than that and that includes labor, materials, computers and an engines. 
A $900 iPad is more powerful than the stuff that we put in for $10,000 and its price includes assembly and parts. If I could fly to China or Mexico to get this all built and installed for a grand total of $5,000 I would do it right away. We are being screwed over by the FAA and the mechanics royally and are happily accepting it. I think it’s pretty messed up. 
That’s just my 2 cents. Sorry for the unpopular opinion. 

I can only presume you have never worked in, nor studied, manufacturing.  The examples you give are the result of assembly lines, not the one-offs that all aircraft modifications are.  The first car coming off an assembly line costs $1,000,000,000.  That accounts for all the research, engineering, experimenting, prototyping, tool design, tool making, equipment purchase, automation, factory set-up, parts and inventory preparation, etc. needed to create the line.  Since you make another 100,000 cars, the billion gets divided and each car carries $10,000 of those costs.  Add another $10,000 for materials, marketing, and labor, and you have a reasonably priced $20,000 car, (x100,000).  If you can figure out a way to do these aircraft mods in an assembly line, you will have lots of business.  Good luck.

Even if a junior mechanic has a pay rate of $12/hour, he will be paired with an experienced mechanic making $40/hour.  Add your perks at 30% and your overhead of 30%, and these two working on your plane cost $87.88/hour, or about 182 hours for $16,000.  4.5 weeks to do this job seems pretty reasonable.  My GTX-375 install took longer and cost less, although I believe the shop's idea was to take a small loss to gain the experience, as it was their first install of the 375.

I cringe at someone trusting his life with Chinese made equipment.  I was in Beijing before the Olympics.  The guides pointed out all the new buildings being built to accommodate the expected tourists.  I swore they looked 50 years old.  They used inferior gravel in the concrete, giving all the buildings rusty shit-stains running down their sides.  In our "4-star" hotel, my wife noticed the tiler had installed a broken tile.  It was obvious, and you had to wonder, did the tiler want to save the nickel a new tile would cost?  (I doubt he was the one paying for the tile.)  Or was he just so damn lazy? (Probably not, as it would be harder to install than a good tile.)  Or is it the culture?  When another company was found to be putting melamine into baby formula, because it is cheap and melamine shows up as protein in purity tests, I think you have your answer.  Do you really want an airplane made on the cheap in such a place? 

One more example from a slightly different place:  A Marine major I worked with called the Philippines "the place of not quite right."  If you have been there, you most likely get it.  One of my sailors moved to the Philippines after he retired.  He told me the story of building his house.  He wanted some concrete blocks made, so he hired local labor to mix and pour the concrete in his small mixer.  He already had a pile of sand and cement near the mixer.  He told them he wanted the blocks made with one scoop of cement for five scoops of sand.  The said they always made it with a 1:9 ratio.  He told them he wanted the blocks stronger and had already bought and paid for the materials, therefore do it with the 1:5 ratio.  They agreed and he watched them putting in one scoop of cement for every five scoops of sand.  He left and came back a little later to find them putting in nine scoops of sand for every scoop of cement.

I remember Made in Japan being an epithet, or at least an indicator of inferior product, in the 60s.  That changed profoundly by the 80s.  Given the government, and thus the culture of China, I doubt they will be able to duplicate Japan's quick rise.  Unfortunately, same goes for the PI and many other places.