rdnash Posted March 4, 2020 Report Posted March 4, 2020 Help!!, Trying to find mooney that has been converted from O360 to IO 360 with 201 cowling and prop. Any help appreciated.
David Lloyd Posted March 4, 2020 Report Posted March 4, 2020 http://www.cornerstoneaircraftsales.com/inventory/1965-mooney-m20c/
rbridges Posted March 4, 2020 Report Posted March 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hank said: @rbridges? I still have an O360.
Hank Posted March 4, 2020 Report Posted March 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, rbridges said: I still have an O360. Oh. But the fancy 201 cowl, right?
rbridges Posted March 4, 2020 Report Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hank said: Oh. But the fancy 201 cowl, right? Haha, yeah. Edited March 4, 2020 by rbridges
carusoam Posted March 4, 2020 Report Posted March 4, 2020 Welcome aboard rdn... What specifically are you looking for? Just the STCs? docs, pics, a plane to buy? Something we can help you with I’m sure... Some STCs for those may be in the hands of their creator... The STC creator... who may have gone to see the big guy... Others may still be available from Lasar... Cost wise... turning a C into an E is a tough financial pill to swallow... making it a modern E is even more expensive... Have no fear... Forever planes are worth the investment... Best regards, -a-
201wantabe Posted March 4, 2020 Report Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) In order to take a C to an E your going to need to do the following. Find a IO-360, preferably a IO-360A1B6 (or have your O rebuilt by penyan) and get the lasar 200 HP Conversion STC Find a M20J 201 top and bottom cowl, left and right cowl flaps, engine baffling and duz cowl firewall mount support. Locate a Hartzell Top Prop kit for a M20J or contact hartzell and explain your ordering for a M20C with a M20J firewall forward. This will require at least 1 STC and 2 337s, I think I have access to the data for the cowl and top prop for an E but only for a -A1A which means it has the "No cont. ops. above 24″ btwn. 2350 and 2550 rpm" limitation. This also will require completely splitting the skins from the firewall so that you can replace the cowl attach points, I recommend also doing a J sloped windscreen. It goes without saying unless you are of the type to get your hands dirty and can locate a friendly A&P this is not a project for the faint of heart. It is also worth keeping in mind, this will not increase the gross weight limit of your C. Edited March 4, 2020 by 201wantabe 2
Hector Posted March 5, 2020 Report Posted March 5, 2020 Why not just buy an ESent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
carusoam Posted March 5, 2020 Report Posted March 5, 2020 @201wantabe wow! Where did all that deep detail come from? Sounds like you may be really/extra familiar... Best regards, -a- 1
67 m20F chump Posted March 5, 2020 Report Posted March 5, 2020 If any of you have pictures of how the airframe needs to be modified I would like to see them. I would like to upgrade my cowl someday.
rbridges Posted March 5, 2020 Report Posted March 5, 2020 52 minutes ago, 67 m20F chump said: If any of you have pictures of how the airframe needs to be modified I would like to see them. I would like to upgrade my cowl someday. Unless you're totally set on a 201 cowl, @Sabremech is working on a much improved version for the vintage models that would probably be much simpler to pursue.
Sabremech Posted March 5, 2020 Report Posted March 5, 2020 I know it’s been quite a while “in the works” stage, but I’m making progress. The first lower cowling stuck in the mold last week, so looking to next week for the first lower cowling to be finished. All the other molds are made and ready to produce parts. David 6
201wantabe Posted March 5, 2020 Report Posted March 5, 2020 9 hours ago, carusoam said: @201wantabe wow! Where did all that deep detail come from? Sounds like you may be really/extra familiar... Best regards, -a- My M20E was bought mid conversion using a top prop and factory M20J parts. The prop has been changed with the spinner that works with the M20J cowl and my cowl I have been fixing as it was part of a gear up. I met with the ATL FSDO and talked the plan over with them and they are fully onboard. 2 hours ago, 67 m20F chump said: If any of you have pictures of how the airframe needs to be modified I would like to see them. I would like to upgrade my cowl someday. Its a lot, if someone offered a kit that used the factory cowl duz holes rather then requiring them be replaced to mount to a J this would be much easier. The mooney parts manual does not provide a detailed drawing of the firewall and cowl supports on the firewall but the highlighted areas are what will need to be drilled out and split to replace the supports. That is why I claim if your going to go this far you should do the 201 windscreen as well. 1
David Lloyd Posted March 5, 2020 Report Posted March 5, 2020 OP Joined, posted, left and never came back. Surprising how often that happens.
201wantabe Posted March 5, 2020 Report Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, David Lloyd said: OP Joined, posted, left and never came back. Surprising how often that happens. It is funny how the OP posted this and their is currently 2 C models that reflect his question for sale right now.
carusoam Posted March 5, 2020 Report Posted March 5, 2020 Some questions are just so easy to ask... MS is the right place to go to find the answer... Many people have gone through the phase of.... If I start with an affordable C... can I upgrade it step wise.... over time..? Amazingly, if it is a forever-plane, it can be done... step wise over time... If not a forever-plane... get one that already has the mods... The OP is probably out working the math for the amus and AMUs.... Interest rates are awfully low lately... Hey... great update, David! (What are you using for mold release?) Best regards, -a-
Sabremech Posted March 6, 2020 Report Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, carusoam said: Some questions are just so easy to ask... MS is the right place to go to find the answer... Many people have gone through the phase of.... If I start with an affordable C... can I upgrade it step wise.... over time..? Amazingly, if it is a forever-plane, it can be done... step wise over time... If not a forever-plane... get one that already has the mods... The OP is probably out working the math for the amus and AMUs.... Interest rates are awfully low lately... Hey... great update, David! (What are you using for mold release?) Best regards, -a- Hi Anthony, I’d have to ask the shop (Knots2U) but they are the experts on cowlings etc. I know they were pretty frustrated that it happened, but we’ll get it figured out. Thanks. 1
201wantabe Posted March 6, 2020 Report Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Sabremech said: Hi Anthony, I’d have to ask the shop (Knots2U) but they are the experts on cowlings etc. I know they were pretty frustrated that it happened, but we’ll get it figured out. Thanks. Depending on your process I prefer mold release wax number 8 with pva sprayed in to the mold. However, I am sure this is not their first rodeo.
carusoam Posted March 6, 2020 Report Posted March 6, 2020 I have seen similar challenges with boat molds... kind of similar... fiberglass parts in a mold... part finish is important. Slow molding times (hours/days) Familiar with plastics molding as well... not very similar... thermo plastics in a steel mold... fast molding times (seconds) Plastics 102 kind of stuff... PP thoughts only, not a molding guru... Best regards, -a-
SheryLoewen Posted March 27, 2020 Report Posted March 27, 2020 LASAR STC DWG # 127 is what you need for IO-360 upgrade Paul Loewen 2
markgrue Posted March 27, 2020 Report Posted March 27, 2020 Kind of a related topic... What is the difference in fuel burn between the o-360 and IO-360 for same MAP and RPM? Say 25-25. Mark
tanakatlf Posted May 12, 2021 Report Posted May 12, 2021 On 3/3/2020 at 7:13 PM, rdnash said: Help!!, Trying to find mooney that has been converted from O360 to IO 360 with 201 cowling and prop. Any help appreciated. I have a M20C that has electric gear, 200 HP IO360, J model cowling, J model windshield, late model wing tips and all other speed mods that is available for sale. you can reach me at wccobra@att.net
carusoam Posted May 12, 2021 Report Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, tanakatlf said: I have a M20C that has electric gear, 200 HP IO360, J model cowling, J model windshield, late model wing tips and all other speed mods that is available for sale. you can reach me at wccobra@att.net spend a few minutes starting a new thread... Title: M20C for sale... Fill in the details post some pics Takes about 20 minutes to get it all out there... Expect the first steps to closure may take a day... PP thoughts only... Best regards, -a-
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