Mounted my fire extinguisher - finally!

[ArtVandelay]

Forget the tie wrap, I would not want it in an already crowded foot well...and the POH is stored there too!?

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, Piloto said:

Don't worry I wouldn't trust you for my annual.

José

Go pound sand.

Clarence

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, Hank said:

Never mind the piss!ng match. What is an approved way to mount an extinguisher in a Mooney that left the factory without one? How about in a short body Mooney that can't put one in front of the back seat and still permit the pilot to get in and out? Can't screw it into anything structural, and you seem to not like the two non-structural mounts here. Guess we should get oval extinguishers and out them in the seatback pockets??? 

The front surface of the pilot's seat below the adjustment bar works well for the extinguisher shown.

Clarence

[Hank]

Just now, M20Doc said:

The front surface of the pilot's seat below the adjustment bar works well for the extinguisher shown.

Clarence

But I can't drill and tap mounting holes or use ty wraps . . . Do I need to have a No-Tools-Required removal of the mount? Or is that only for backup instruments if they aren't approved?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Hank said:

But I can't drill and tap mounting holes or use ty wraps . . . Do I need to have a No-Tools-Required removal of the mount? Or is that only for backup instruments if they aren't approved?

Mooney mounted some to the main spar on some models, not practical in a short body, so the front of the pilot's seat is a simple solution.  Four holes screws and penny washers is all that is required, no holes in structure and it's not in the way.

Clarence

[bonal]

At 5'10" behind pilot seat is a non issue I don't think Mooneys are too small I think some of you are just too tall 

[Hank]

28 minutes ago, bonal said:

At 5'10" behind pilot seat is a non issue I don't think Mooneys are too small I think some of you are just too tall 

I'm just an inch taller than you. There's plenty of room in flight, but to get into and out of my C, I slide both seats all the way back. Yes, I've seen your video, but it's awkward sliding the right seat fully forward while seated in the left.

[salty]

7 hours ago, M20Doc said:

Mooney mounted some to the main spar on some models, not practical in a short body, so the front of the pilot's seat is a simple solution.  Four holes screws and penny washers is all that is required, no holes in structure and it's not in the way.

Clarence

Anybody have a pics of this approach? I'm not visualizing it. 

[Piloto]

23 hours ago, dlmorris said:

You'll likely need to remove the extinguisher before attempting to remove the front seats. I have articulating seats in my K Model and they slide almost all the way back before releasing. Here's an alternative location I found. Very handy.

Looks like a novel idea. How difficult is to pull on the gear manual extension cable? Do you have to remove the extinguisher to pull on the cable? It looks like is aiming to cool down hot girls passengers. 

José

[Piloto]

12 hours ago, M20Doc said:

The front surface of the pilot's seat below the adjustment bar works well for the extinguisher shown.

Clarence

That option will not work with articulated seats. I looked into it for my 82 M20J.

José

[xcrmckenna]

Like a lot of us I have a fire extinguisher in my plane but no really good place to mount it. I have a seat organizer I kept it in that was easily reached but if I had 4 people in the plane the bag usually got taken out and the extinguisher was placed in the hands of the back seat passengers. I wanted to mount it to the back seat floor bulkhead just in front of the spar standing vertical. It would take up less leg room but I was scared of drilling into the spar. So I mounted it to the seat adjuster bar with adel clamps. I will watch it closely that it doesn’t slid down and make the latch release. Hopefully this will be it’s permanent location. 

[Bob - S50]

Just now, xcrmckenna said:

Like a lot of us I have a fire extinguisher in my plane but no really good place to mount it. I have a seat organizer I kept it in that was easily reached but if I had 4 people in the plane the bag usually got taken out and the extinguisher was placed in the hands of the back seat passengers. I wanted to mount it to the back seat floor bulkhead just in front of the spar standing vertical. It would take up less leg room but I was scared of drilling into the spar. So I mounted it to the seat adjuster bar with adel clamps. I will watch it closely that it doesn’t slid down and make the latch release. Hopefully this will be it’s permanent location. 

Brilliant!  Might do that myself after talking to my partners.

[Bolter]

Just now, xcrmckenna said:

Like a lot of us I have a fire extinguisher in my plane but no really good place to mount it. I have a seat organizer I kept it in that was easily reached but if I had 4 people in the plane the bag usually got taken out and the extinguisher was placed in the hands of the back seat passengers. I wanted to mount it to the back seat floor bulkhead just in front of the spar standing vertical. It would take up less leg room but I was scared of drilling into the spar. So I mounted it to the seat adjuster bar with adel clamps. I will watch it closely that it doesn’t slid down and make the latch release. Hopefully this will be it’s permanent location. 

 

 

That is a clean installation.  I would remain concerned about that added mass on the handle.  In significant turbulence, that 5 pounds becomes 15 pounds (numbers made up for example, but not far off) pulling up and down on the adjuster.  That could release the seat and send you sliding back at an inopportune time.  Something that prevents upward motion of the bar would be helpful for that.  

-dan

[xcrmckenna]

Brilliant!  Might do that myself after talking to my partners.

I’m going to be seeing Jeremy the next two weekends I will make it a point to show him.


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[xcrmckenna]

That is a clean installation.  I would remain concerned about that added mass on the handle.  In significant turbulence, that 5 pounds becomes 15 pounds (numbers made up for example, but not far off) pulling up and down on the adjuster.  That could release the seat and send you sliding back at an inopportune time.  Something that prevents upward motion of the bar would be helpful for that.  
-dan

For sure. I will watch it closely how it moves around. At annual when I pull the seats I will add another holding spring to compensate for the added weight.


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[Bob - S50]

3 hours ago, Bolter said:

That is a clean installation.  I would remain concerned about that added mass on the handle.  In significant turbulence, that 5 pounds becomes 15 pounds (numbers made up for example, but not far off) pulling up and down on the adjuster.  That could release the seat and send you sliding back at an inopportune time.  Something that prevents upward motion of the bar would be helpful for that.  

-dan

Ya, but.  We LIFT the handle to adjust the seat.  Positive G's will only help to keep the handle down in its proper place.  We would need to pull negative G's for it to unlatch the seat and I doubt that's going to happen unless we get into turbulence bordering on severe.

[Bolter]

5 minutes ago, Bob - S50 said:

Ya, but.  We LIFT the handle to adjust the seat.  Positive G's will only help to keep the handle down in its proper place.  We would need to pull negative G's for it to unlatch the seat and I doubt that's going to happen unless we get into turbulence bordering on severe.

I do not have a g meter on my plane, but in random vibration from turbulence, I assumed we were pushed up as hard as we can be pushed down.  Does anyone have a g meter and can verify that turbulence is more or less zero net motion.

Shock loads can be high g's, but momentary.   I have had my headset hit the roof without being anywhere near frame limits or entering conditions that would be deemed "risky".  Is your experience different?  If a seat slid back at the same time...major pucker.