Planned GTN install options giving me headaches

[Guest Mike261]

I planned on installing a GTN750 with GDL 88 and flight stream as my ADSB solution and panel uprgrade.

Did the research, got a quote. Then I ran into the Mega annual, and needed an engine monitor to replace ailing factory stuff...blew my GTN budget and had to back burner it. Fast forward and now I'm ready for the upgrade...

Things have changed, looks like i can now install the GTN with the new GTX 345 and get the ADS B and connectivity i am looking for. looks like the same capital cost for equipment with less boxes and maybe less labor, but now i have to dig in again and see whats up.

anyone researched this new unit?

Thoughts?

mike

[Fipdublin]

Mike

do you already have a Garmin 530 in your panel or is the GTN 750 just a nav/com choice?

Edited April 19, 2016 by Fipdublin

[LANCECASPER]

Sounds like if you are going with Garmin, the GTX345 or 345R (remote) is the one to go with. Looks like a great box.

http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=119062

[Guest Mike261]

1 minute ago, Fipdublin said:

Mike

do you already have a Garmin 530 in your panel or is the GTN 750 just a nav/com choice?

No, im working with an old king 94 unit. this it the foundation of the panel im starting...it's exasperating because i was forced to wait...and it looks like the wait was a good thing. now i feel like i should wait longer...but i'm tired of the old panel. i may just elect to get the GTN and wait further. looking for any input from people who may be considering the same route, or already taken it.

mike

 

[Fipdublin]

I'm sure there are plenty of posters that have gone from the king 94 to a newer unit. I don't have that experience as my panel already had a 430W when I bought it. I'll be working with that for the foreseeable future. There have been lots of posts here regarding Avidyne's competitive unit. Alot of the accolades have been for the labor savings of a slide in replacement for the 430/530 so that doesn't help you much. I'm not much help here.

[Guest Mike261]

well that was rather quick...just found the STC list and the j models arent on it yet...

mike

 

The list i saw was for g1000 aircraft compatability...so need to look harder

 

[Ftlausa]

Mike,

I am doing a similar upgrade -- GTN750 and GTX 345.  I think it makes more sense than the GDL88.  I already have an GTX330es, but I am going to keep it so that I have a back-up transponder.  I have had two transponder failures in the last 2 years, so I think having a back-up transponder is a good thing.  I opted not to do the remote install on the GTX345 since I already had a slot for it and it saved 5 hours of labor on the install.

 

[Bunti]

Mike,

I just ordered 2 weeks ago an install of the GTX345, GTN750 and Flightstream 210 for my Mooney. My old Narco COM-NAV will be removed together with an Aera 500. I will keep the GNC330XL as GPS2 and COM2.

My 330ES Transponder will be removed in exchange for the 345.

Ido have an Aspen PRO PFD and according to the shop there will be no display of traffic or weather possible on the PFD until Aspen releases the needed software update and I pay for the unlock code.  According to Aspen, this may be in a few months. I paid already for unlocking TIS-A and had the traffic from the 330ES displayed on the PFD and the Aera. This will not be possible anymore until the software release and my unlock-payment. The GTX345 delivers only an TIS-B-protocol output, the 330ES had an TIS-A-output.

I took the 750 instead of the IFD540 because of the better screen resolution. Also the IFD540 is more expensive to buy and install, if you do not have the advantage of a slide in replacement of an 530 unit.

I thought also about installing the Lynx NGT9000. I like the unit very much, but according to the information, which was available, this unit works well with the Aspen, but it is not sure, how good  it communicates with the GTN750 and the Flightstream. I wanted one connection for my IPAD for traffic, weather and flightplan-transfer to the GTN750.  Anyhow, I have to change my App from WIngXPro to Foreflight or the Garmin App because the Flightstream does not work with WingXPro.

On May, 2nd, the  plane should be ready.

Stefan

Here are some photos of my Mooney and the panel in various upgrade phases, before the actual upgrade:

http://spruce-creek.net/galerie/n6377q/

[gsengle]

I went Lynx and considering 540 in part because I don't want to reward Garmin's closed strategy, forcing you to buy more Garmin to make it all work, even though open standards are available.

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[Guest Mike261]

6 hours ago, gsengle said:

I went Lynx and considering 540 in part because I don't want to reward Garmin's closed strategy, forcing you to buy more Garmin to make it all work, even though open standards are available.

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it seems like garmin is starting to play with others...but not completely. Adds to my headache.

Mike

[gsengle]

Then tell them to take input from my Lynx!

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[NotarPilot]

On April 21, 2016 at 0:13 PM, Bunti said:

 

I thought also about installing the Lynx NGT9000. I like the unit very much, but according to the information, which was available, this unit works well with the Aspen, but it is not sure, how good  it communicates with the GTN750 and the Flightstream. I wanted one connection for my IPAD for traffic, weather and flightplan-transfer to the GTN750.  Anyhow, I have to change my App from WIngXPro to Foreflight or the Garmin App because the Flightstream does not work with WingXPro.

This really peeved me when I heard Garmin allowed ForeFlight to work with the Flight Stream 210 but not WingX. I like WingX too and it's my preferred app. When I asked the WingX people about this they pretty much said go talk to Garmin. Apparently Garmin didn't want to allow WingX to be able to work with FS 210 and has no intention of doing so.

When it was time to upgrade my avionics I went with Avidyne. Not because I was pissed at Garmin, I really think the IFD series is a better product and just about everyone who's bought one loves it. I use the GTN650 at work and I just don't like it. I'd prefer to have a GNS product with knobs rather than a system that's primarily touchscreen based. The hybrid touchscreen and knob functionality of the IFDs just make everything a lot easier.  I also really liked the slide in replacement feature and Bluetooth and wifi connectivity. 

Steve

[Marauder]

On April 21, 2016 at 0:13 PM, Bunti said:  

I thought also about installing the Lynx NGT9000. I like the unit very much, but according to the information, which was available, this unit works well with the Aspen, but it is not sure, how good  it communicates with the GTN750 and the Flightstream. I wanted one connection for my IPAD for traffic, weather and flightplan-transfer to the GTN750.  Anyhow, I have to change my App from WIngXPro to Foreflight or the Garmin App because the Flightstream does not work with WingXPro.

This really peeved me when I heard Garmin allowed ForeFlight to work with the Flight Stream 210 but not WingX. I like WingX too and it's my preferred app. When I asked the WingX people about this they pretty much said go talk to Garmin. Apparently Garmin didn't want to allow WingX to be able to work with FS 210 and has no intention of doing so.

When it was time to upgrade my avionics I went with Avidyne. Not because I was pissed at Garmin, I really think the IFD series is a better product and just about everyone who's bought one loves it. I use the GTN650 at work and I just don't like it. I'd prefer to have a GNS product with knobs rather than a system that's primarily touchscreen based. The hybrid touchscreen and knob functionality of the IFDs just make everything a lot easier.  I also really liked the slide in replacement feature and Bluetooth and wifi connectivity. 

Steve

My guess is that it has to do with license fees that they can't agree upon.

[donkaye]

On April 23, 2016 at 0:37 PM, gsengle said:

I went Lynx and considering 540 in part because I don't want to reward Garmin's closed strategy, forcing you to buy more Garmin to make it all work, even though open standards are available.

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Is that like cutting off your nose to spite your face?  I went with Garmin precisely BECAUSE  you can count on their interface working with all their products--eventually on some.  I have had no students who have purchased the Avidyne GPSs so I haven't had the chance to learn it.  That should say something about the market.  I can't think of anything I would want my GTN 750 or 650 to do that it can't do.  

[donkaye]

"When it was time to upgrade my avionics I went with Avidyne. Not because I was pissed at Garmin, I really think the IFD series is a better product and just about everyone who's bought one loves it. I use the GTN650 at work and I just don't like it. I'd prefer to have a GNS product with knobs rather than a system that's primarily touchscreen based."

The GTN IS a hybrid.  I do most of my frequency entries via the knob.  However, I am using the GTN 750 as my primary GPS.  The 650 does serve its purpose for me by giving me 6 data fields on the default page, fields that I gave up by having the GMA 35 and Transponder interface to the the GTN 750.  By cross filling, easy frequency call up on the 650 is possible.  There are so many other useful advantages to having the 650 that I can't name them all here.

[gsengle]

On April 23, 2016 at 0:37 PM, gsengle said: I went Lynx and considering 540 in part because I don't want to reward Garmin's closed strategy, forcing you to buy more Garmin to make it all work, even though open standards are available.

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Is that like cutting off your nose to spite your face?  I went with Garmin precisely BECAUSE  you can count on their interface working with all their products--eventually on some.  I have had no students who have purchased the Avidyne GPSs so I haven't had the chance to learn it.  That should say something about the market.  I can't think of anything I would want my GTN 750 or 650 to do that it can't do.  

No it's not. Garmin limits your options and at this point the Avidyne seems superior to the GTN, and the Lynx a superior product too. Ask non WAAS g1000 Mooney owners how they feel about Garmin... Open standards for interoperability make things better...

[donkaye]

2 hours ago, gsengle said:

No it's not. Garmin limits your options and at this point the Avidyne seems superior to the GTN, and the Lynx a superior product too. Ask non WAAS g1000 Mooney owners how they feel about Garmin... Open standards for interoperability make things better...

Like I said, I have no experience with the new Avidyne products so can't personally compare.  I just like the fact that I have everything available today and no interface issues, as many have working with different vendors.  I also like that like Avidyne, Garmin does spend the money to continually upgrade the software in their products to give me things I didn't even know I wanted.

Totally agree that the G1000 being certified with the aircraft presents real problems, unknown to me and many others when the first G1000 Mooneys came out.  I really feel sorry for those non WAAS G1000 owners who are having major issues with the new ADS-B requirements.  For those with those aircraft, deep pockets are going to be required.

[ArtVandelay]

I thought the new line of transponders fix the G1000,ADSB problem?

[ArtVandelay]

GTN750, Garmin 530W, GTN650, Garmin 430W and NEVER avidyne. His opinion on avidyne was that it was complicated to use and when under pressure I a single pilot cockpit you didn't want something complicated.  

I am going for a 650 although he felt an old 530 would be better, but then I have panel space issues   

Andrew

 

If you get the Flightstream 210, then you can have your iPad be a poor mans MFD, making up for the smaller screen on 650. I never use the map page on the 650.

[gsengle]

I've heard the opposite about the Avidyne, I suspect he is just very used to the Garmin interface way of thinking. That said I'm just speculating as I don't have a ton of experience with either, still flying with a 530W here. Watch the video of the Avidyne with synthetic vision some time...

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[donkaye]

4 hours ago, teejayevans said:

I thought the new line of transponders fix the G1000,ADSB problem?

You still need a WAAS GPS (not in the Transponder) to fly LPV approaches.  Also, I still don't think there is a Mooney G1000 solution to ADS-B IN.  All in all very expensive problems to rectify.

[Godfather]

People that I have talked with are enjoying the new radios from Avidyne.  However, a lot of the enjoyment at first was the cheap install price and the $8.5k cost of the unit.  Because of the high resale of the 430w they were able to upgrade from a 15 year old box for a couple amu per unit.

People (myself included) are quick to give Garmin grief but the Avidyne company has tried to introduce some policies (in the past) that don't play well with pilots as well.