M016576 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Ive been a bad boy... Ive been cheating on my aluminum mistress. Every once in a while, I can't help myself... What can I say? I'm a pilot! I'm attracted to lots of airplanes... anyway, Ive spent about 10 hours flying a Seneca this week- a plane I've been considering as the family grows up. All in all, I felt like it's really heavy on the controls. Sometimes I need a good reminder as to what brought me to the mooney in the first place: a nice flying, fast airplane! 1 Quote
Guitarmaster Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Ive been a bad boy... Ive been cheating on my aluminum mistress. Every once in a while, I can't help myself... What can I say? I'm a pilot! I'm attracted to lots of airplanes... anyway, Ive spent about 10 hours flying a Seneca this week- a plane I've been considering as the family grows up. All in all, I felt like it's really heavy on the controls. Sometimes I need a good reminder as to what brought me to the mooney in the first place: a nice flying, fast airplane! If you want an ugly, two engine airplane to haul your entire family around plus everything else you can stuff in it, why not check out an Aztec? Faster than a Seneca, end, in my opinion, a nicer airplane. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk 3 Quote
PMcClure Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Flys like an old S10 pick-up if u ask me. Quote
Guitarmaster Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Bahahaha!!! Of course, after the Mooney, everything flies like a truck! Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk 1 Quote
Marauder Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 If you are going twin on us, I would check out the Barons. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote
M20F Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Queen Air surely, let's really dent your wallet. Quote
aviatoreb Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Your children want daddy to get a pressurized twin. 2 Quote
M016576 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Posted January 22, 2016 1 hour ago, aviatoreb said: Your children want daddy to get a pressurized twin. My bank account doesn't, though! I think I'm sticking with the Missile, at the very least until the kids are in their teens. Hard to justify a light twin right now: twice the fuel burn, higher insurance, costlier annuals and all for roughly the same speed. They are fun to fly though... Quote
aviatoreb Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Just now, M016576 said: My bank account doesn't, though! I think I'm sticking with the Missile, at the very least until the kids are in their teens. Hard to justify a light twin right now: twice the fuel burn, higher insurance, costlier annuals and all for roughly the same speed. They are fun to fly though... Maybe they will let you borrow on of those company planes from work? You could convert the hard points to people carriers if you make some pill shaped capsules to carry the kids in? Quote
aviatoreb Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Just now, M016576 said: My bank account doesn't, though! I think I'm sticking with the Missile, at the very least until the kids are in their teens. Hard to justify a light twin right now: twice the fuel burn, higher insurance, costlier annuals and all for roughly the same speed. They are fun to fly though... So what happened to me ... 3 kids ....is my boys kept getting bigger and bigger, but soon they didn't want to go anywhere all together, so more and more they I just fly with just one of them. A lot in fact. And now one has gone off to college, and then next year another one of my boys off to college. So now the plane becomes a fetch the kids and bring them back from college minivan and a Mooney works fine for that. 3 Quote
carusoam Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 'Hard to justify right now....?' The price of oil is at decades low. The cost of college is at decades high. when does it get easier to justify? The only thing better than one IO550 would be...two IO550s! 600hp, -a- Quote
M016576 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Posted January 22, 2016 1 hour ago, carusoam said: 'Hard to justify right now....?' The price of oil is at decades low. The cost of college is at decades high. when does it get easier to justify? The only thing better than one IO550 would be...two IO550s! 600hp, -a- It's all a matter of perspective... Two io-550's = 2x the chance of an engine failure... sometimes I think you guys are trying to persuade me out of the Mooney club!!! I'm not very good at taking hints .... 1 Quote
M016576 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Posted January 22, 2016 1 hour ago, aviatoreb said: Maybe they will let you borrow on of those company planes from work? You could convert the hard points to people carriers if you make some pill shaped capsules to carry the kids in? It certainly would put those government dollars to work... Not sure I could get past Uncle Sam on that one though: he's a real stickler!!! 1 Quote
Bravoman Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 4 hours ago, Guitarmaster said: If you want an ugly, two engine airplane to haul your entire family around plus everything else you can stuff in it, why not check out an Aztec? Faster than a Seneca, end, in my opinion, a nicer airplane. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk The Aztecs, particularly the later models are great planes. Built like tanks Quote
Guitarmaster Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Just now, Bravoman said: The Aztecs, particularly the later models are great planes. Built like tanks Yea... I got my multi and MEI in an Aztec. Loved the plane! Quote
Hank Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 6 hours ago, PMcClure said: Flys like an old S10 pick-up if u ask me. I've been told that Mooneys fly like a truck. Those types don't listen when I tell them that mine doesn't. 1 Quote
FlyDave Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Seneca? That sounds like a soft drink, not an airplane 1 Quote
glafaille Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 I have 5000 hours in Barons flying night freight through thunderstorms, ice and whatever else mother nature could throw at me. All without boots, radar or an autopilot. The Baron always brought me home. I can think of no better piston twin to fly my family. I wish I could afford one. 5 1 Quote
laytonl Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Kids are transitory. They grow up and leave and then you don't need all those seats. We rarely install the back seats in our Mooney and use the space to haul stuff to the grandkids! Lee Quote
aviatoreb Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 1 hour ago, glafaille said: I have 5000 hours in Barons flying night freight through thunderstorms, ice and .. That sounds like fun - not. Quote
glafaille Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 When the weather was nice it was the most fun I've ever had in an airplane. Nothing like the sound of two big Continental IO-520s singing on a cold, clear, star drenched winter night! A Baron is a SWEET ride! 2 Quote
Guitarmaster Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 I have 5000 hours in Barons flying night freight through thunderstorms, ice and whatever else mother nature could throw at me. All without boots, radar or an autopilot. The Baron always brought me home. I can think of no better piston twin to fly my family. I wish I could afford one. Ah yes. The days of trying to kill yourself every night in the weather. Fun times!! Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Quote
carusoam Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 The economics of one IO550 keeps me in the poor house. Two of them would drive me out of flying all together... This one and a few extra AMU per month would be fine... http://mooneyspace.com/search/?&q=Baron%20president&page=3&search_and_or=or Brett's post Mooney twin... Aka el presidente. Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
bradp Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 If thinking Baron go twin Mooney ... Aerostar. You actually get 45 more KTAS for that extra burner. And it will fly one one engine for real. And it lacks wing spar ADs. And there is no airframe hour limit. 1 Quote
WardHolbrook Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 The big caveat when it comes to flying a twin is that when that engine quits on you, you had better have made the required investment in training and have the prerequisite level of skill and proficiency to avoid turning the airplane into little more than a lawn dart. Period. A properly flown twin operated by a proficient pilot within its limitations is inherently safer than a single. If they are not operated that way, they are more dangerous. Period. I'd guess that the majority of the non-professional light twin drivers and many of the "pros" would be safer in a single. It takes a lot of effort to gain the necessary proficiency and even more to maintain it. That's dang tough to when your recurrent training involves little more than a basic flight review with a CFI every couple of years and you’re only flying a 50 to 100 hours a year. It also takes judgement and discipline to operate your twin in a manner that doesn't severely compromise the limited OEI performance capabilities of the typical light piston twin. Just like in a single, you can play the odds all you want in your light twin, but never forget that now you've got two engines so you've got twice the likelihood of a failure in any given period of time. In a twin, it's all about competency, not just currency and the only way to achieve and maintain proficiency is through a structured recurrent training program. If you're going to fly a twin, you need to budget the time and money to do it right and it ain't going to be cheap. 3 Quote
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