Support Wire?

[Marauder]

So if I buy a Mooney that has this antenna on it, can I take it off? It's not a pretty thing!

If you don't need the ADF, you can remove the wire and the entire radio as well. It will require a weight & balance adjustment signed off properly.

[carusoam]

If you don't want the ADF, it can be removed...

(only took me an hour to type the line Marauder had already) 

avoid the rookie mistake of recognizing the looseness of the wire and confusing it for something that needs to be tightened.

if you tighten a proper length of that antenna wire, you will hang the tail by it, as you use the tail trim.

not that I was a rookie once, nor did I hang my tail by it's antenna...

best regards,

-a-

Edited September 16, 2015 by carusoam

[Gone]

Hmmm...

Fire in the cockpit, or shoot an NDB approach.  Tough call...

You guys are wusses.  NDB approaches are fun.  

[Bob_Belville]

You guys are wusses.  NDB approaches are fun.  

Barrel of laughs. Right up there with A-N range and the  instrument approach centered on the cone of silence. Not!

I still have several slide rules in my desk. Lots of fun and unlikely to break your neck.

[Andy95W]

You guys are wusses.  NDB approaches are fun.  

NavCanada's motto:  Don't change anything. It might cost us money.

[Gone]

OK folks, let me offer you this little tidbit.  Our Mooney's are brought into this world in a little town about 50 miles Northwest of San Antonio, give or take.  When, this past spring, I took my Mooney back to where it was born, we were coming in from the west and Houston Centre, knowing the prevailing was from the Southeast asked me if I was OK with the NDB 30 approach.  Nimbo stratus tops were at 5,500' (ASL) (=4000 AGL) and ceilings below at 1,500 feet or so (AGL).  Lots of room.  Minima are around 700' (AGL) for that approach.  My personal minimum for this type of approach is about 1,000' (AGL).  So I said yes and cranked up the KR 87 I bought from Cruiser three years ago to replace my T12-C coffee grinder and away we went.

Hit the NDB outbound, and commenced the descent to 4,100' (ASL) waited 30 seconds, left turn for the procedure turn.  Caught the needle pointing straight ahead on the roll out to final and commenced the descent to 2,300 (ASL).  Broke out on the money with the runway a little off to the left (where it belonged because I was doing the approach with the wind behind me and I did not want any surprises from traffic taking off).  Join the left hand downwind to 12 and land.  In Kerrville, the home of Mooney.

If it is good enough for Al and people who built my airplane - it is good enough for me.  

Edited September 18, 2015 by Ned Gravel

[Marauder]

OK folks, let me offer you this little tidbit.  Our Mooney's are brought into this world in a little town about 50 miles Northwest of San Antonio, give or take.  When, this past spring, I took my Mooney back to where it was born, we were coming in from the west and Houston Centre, knowing the prevailing was from the Southeast asked me if I was OK with the NDB 30 approach.  Nimbo stratus tops were at 5,500' (ASL) (=4000 AGL) and ceilings below at 1,500 feet or so (AGL).  Lots of room.  Minima are around 700' (AGL) for that approach.  My personal minimum for this type of approach is about 1,000' (AGL).  So I said yes and cranked up the KR 87 I bought from Cruiser three years ago to replace my T12-C coffee grinder and away we went.

Hit the NDB outbound, and commenced the descent to 4,100' (ASL) waited 30 seconds, left turn for the procedure turn.  Caught the needle pointing straight ahead on the roll out to final and commenced the descent to 2,300 (ASL).  Broke out on the money with the runway a little off to the left (where it belonged because I was doing the approach with the wind behind me and I did not want any surprises from traffic taking off).  Join the left hand downwind to 12 and land.  In Kerrville, the home of Mooney.

If it is good enough for Al and people who built my airplane - it is good enough for me.  

Let's run that same approach now with winds from 250° at 45 knots at 5000' as you do your procedure turn and then start having them shift to 170° as you hit the MDA.

That is what drive me nuts about NDBs.

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[Deb]

Gee Ned, we pull up that same approach on our trusty non-WAAS G1000, and "follow a magenta line." If we want to truly task saturate ourselves, we could tune in the Center Point VOR and look to see that the little blue arrow is pointed at 084 degrees at 10.7 NM. But then again, our little Mooney was born in 2006, and was not privileged to merit a true ADF. Alas...

[mike_elliott]

Gee Ned, we pull up that same approach on our trusty non-WAAS G1000, and "follow a magenta line." If we want to truly task saturate ourselves, we could tune in the Center Point VOR and look to see that the little blue arrow is pointed at 084 degrees at 10.7 NM. But then again, our little Mooney was born in 2006, and was not privileged to merit a true ADF. Alas...

The value of the ADF here in the states I am sure will diminish even further when Rush is no longer aired.

[Danb]

deb

 

hilarious..

[carusoam]

I hear millennial Mooneys with their magenta lines can't be trusted...

GenX Mooneys are all manual and analog...

GenY Mooneys have digital ADFs...

Boomer Mooneys have wooden tails...

Go GenX,

-a-

[Andy95W]

Anthony-

Doesn't your Ovation fall into the digital ADF category, and therefore Gen Y?

Dang young kids these days...

[carusoam]

The O was born in '94...

she is clearly GenY.

like all the kids her age, they think they have all the answers. Then miss the target by a small amount.  Her digital instruments are very accurate.  The analog needles they drive allow the GenX pilot to perceive a trend...

I think she is old enough to drink this year...

the millenial ships use high resolution color screens and use arrows to display the trends.

me and my old C are classic GenX, replete with worn parts!

best regards,

-a-

Edited September 18, 2015 by carusoam

[Piloto]

I notice many of you here consider the ADF as useless, old and obsolete instrument. But the same can be said about the magnetic compass and the baro altimeter. Any hand held GPS will show your ground track and true msl altitude with greater accuracy than the old fashion instruments. But none of the old fashion instruments have to rely on a multi billion infrastructure to work. GPS operates on a single frequency with a very weak signal (below noise level). It does not take much power to jam it. A high altitude balloon with a jammer http://www.thesignaljammer.com/categories/GPS-Jammers/ can cover a 200 nm radius. On the other hand ADF operates on multiple frequencies with much stronger signals. It takes much more power and a big antenna (tower) just to jam one frequency. 

José

[mike_elliott]

I notice many of you here consider the ADF as useless, old and obsolete instrument. But the same can be said about the magnetic compass and the baro altimeter. Any hand held GPS will show your ground track and true msl altitude with greater accuracy than the old fashion instruments. But none of the old fashion instruments have to rely on a multi billion infrastructure to work.

José

The Baro Altimeter requires a multi billion infrastructure (FAA) to give you the baro setting, however

[Mooneymite]

 ....But none of the old fashion instruments have to rely on a multi billion infrastructure to work. GPS operates on a single frequency with a very weak signal (below noise level). It does not take much power to jam it.....

José

Triple INS is definitely the way to go.  If you de-select bootstrap/GPS update, it's completely internal to the airplane.