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I must have the post conceived notions...

 

i see see you only have a few posts.  There is a long history of Mooney pilots that get a couple years of life out of their Gil batteries.

each thread continues on with owners stating how long their Concordes last.

nobody has a remotely good opinion of their experience with Gil.

i have owned about a dozen Gil batteries over my Mooney ownership.  It's an insane repetition...

 

if if you are having a good experience.  By all means, share it.  Share it with detail and gusto!

 

best regards,

-a-

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Never got more than 20 months out of a Gill 243S...that's a fact.  It will take years of others having positive experiences with the new Gills to consider switching.  More amazing is my own stupidity for buying multiple Gills in the past...and expecting a different and better experience with each new Gill battery.  Duh!!

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I must have the post conceived notions...

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nobody has a remotely good opinion of their experience with Gil.

i have owned about a dozen Gil batteries over my Mooney ownership.  It's an insane repetition...

if if you are having a good experience.  By all means, share it.  Share it with detail and gusto!

best regards,

-a-

I got about 10 years out of both my Gills - it's on the board here somewhere. Replaced about a year ago with one Gill and 8 months ago with one Concorde - time will tell if the extra cost of the Concorde is worth it

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AwfulC,

How did you do that?!?!?!

a decade of service out of any battery is spectacular...

Flying every day might help.

best regards,

-a-

Not sure how they lasted that long - the previous owners  must have had something to do with it, as I only had the last five years of them.  I don't have external power in my hanger,  but  use a battery minder on a generator when I'm pottering about,  and alternated with a third battery  for the last couple of year (one at home on a battery minder and  two in service)

frequently abused as in left for a month without usage,  frozen in the winter,  baked in the summer,  only things I avoided were long cap checks to less than 50%capacity, and did a check of the fluid levels twice a year
 

 

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  • 2 months later...

For my Gill experience (Gill G243) all junk within 2 years (Mooney and Bonanza both).  

I replaced the Gill flooded type with sealed Concord's, big difference in cranking power, immediately noticeable. Concord Rep at Air-Venture had long dissertation on the advantage of the sealed type and indicated that the lead used in them is far superior. They hold a charge much better/longer, also noticeable.

If anybody wants 2 Gill G243's, 1 is 2 year old tests @ 60%,  the other 1 year old, tests @ 95% (seems good). Come get em, KAPF, best offer of free to a good home. On a battery minder in my hangar.

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  • 7 months later...
On June 8, 2015 at 8:34 PM, LANCECASPER said:

I bought my first Bravo in '96 and changed Gills every two years, not by choice. On the next Bravo, after the first Gills went bad I went with Concordes and no problems for years. 

 

Not on topic, but curious.  Why buy several Bravos and an Ovation?  I've had my Bravo going on 24 years and wouldn't trade it for anything.

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I use a battery minder every time the aircraft is parked (alternating between batteries) and normally get 5-6 years of good performance.  At that time I replace both batteries (gills).  So are people getting twice the life out of the gel batteries?  Wished odyssey made batteries for the newer Mooney aircraft...those things last forever!

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10 hours ago, donkaye said:

Not on topic, but curious.  Why buy several Bravos and an Ovation?  I've had my Bravo going on 24 years and wouldn't trade it for anything.

The old saying "the grass is always greener", but he is back to a Bravo!

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10 hours ago, donkaye said: Not on topic, but curious.  Why buy several Bravos and an Ovation?  I've had my Bravo going on 24 years and wouldn't trade it for anything.

The old saying "the grass is always greener", but he is back to a Bravo!

I also think he loves bringing a bird back to its former glory. The Bravo he has now is a prime example.

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10 hours ago, Marauder said:

I also think he loves bringing a bird back to its former glory. The Bravo he has now is a prime example.

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That's part of it. Not going to go into all the reasons on a public forum. 

After owning a '96 Bravo I ended up selling it to get into a partnership on a new Piper Mirage in 2000 (me and one great partner). After a couple of Service Bulletins that grounded the airplane for many months, I ended up in a partnership on a Meridian (me and one great partner and one horrible partner). After that experience I got back into a Bravo and then a job shift caused me not t have much time at all to fly so I sold it. I own a great Ovation but had the opportunity to buy the TLS that Dr. Fontaine owned. I wanted less into an airplane and want to eventually own a hangar home. 

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The battery in my plane has been going for just about five years now. I don't notice real hard starts so far but it is a Gill 35. I'm thinking of replacing it. From what I gather my options are the Concord RG-35a at $303, Gill 7243-14 at $600 or another Gill 35 at $226. Prices from pilotshop.com. I can replace the G35 myself but since the other two batteries weigh more than a pound more than the G35 I will need an A&P to do it with a weight and balance? The previous owner had a battery minder but I'm not sure how often he used it. 

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1 hour ago, xcrmckenna said:

The battery in my plane has been going for just about five years now. I don't notice real hard starts so far but it is a Gill 35. I'm thinking of replacing it. From what I gather my options are the Concord RG-35a at $303, Gill 7243-14 at $600 or another Gill 35 at $226. Prices from pilotshop.com. I can replace the G35 myself but since the other two batteries weigh more than a pound more than the G35 I will need an A&P to do it with a weight and balance? The previous owner had a battery minder but I'm not sure how often he used it. 

You might check Chief Aircraft in Grants Pass, Oregon.  The RG-35A is $289.50, includes ground shipping to the lower 48, and no sales tax.

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On 6/11/2015 at 0:51 PM, tls pilot said:

The 7000 series battery is a 24 month warranty

Perhaps you read the incorrect info posted on Spruce website

The one you quoted is for the old batteries

Hi there ''tis pilot...thanks for report...the problem is when there are years of reports of gill failures..it takes time to rebuild trust...maybe suggust to this new gill battery...look every pilot in the us thinks your batteries suck...(which they did personal experience)..I was first going to suggust they give this battery away for free...except..my butt is on the line...so I would decline that offer!I thought about it ..and maybe Gill bankruptcy with name change is best route...regards..

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Wow!!!

The report was written just about two years ago. The batteries have been installed for over 26 months.

Trouble free. Just as strong today as day one. Great cranking power in cold weather and warm.

The report was written two years ago to inform folks about these new batteries.

IF you or others prefer another brand and are happy with their cost, weight, and performance, Stay with it.

This is why some folks like vanilla and others strawberry. We have a choice between two brands here.

(Frankly at this point both brands appear to be of superb quality).

If your brand serves you well, stay with it, if you choose not to want to hear about other products because your mind is made up, do not read it. It is as simple as that!

Some companies are known for great quality, over the decades, business qualities can change from good to bad and vice versa, bad to good. Apple was near dead over a decade ago....

The whole point of a forum like this is to share experciences, not beat up folks for doing the sharing or questioning their

reason for making such posts (unless they have some vested interest) which we do NOT.

Just a consumer reporting on what was then (2 yrs ago) a new product. 

As promised two years ago, we will give a report yearly.

Happy starting....

 

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I'm looking at replacing my 11yo G-243 with a 7243 (or something else).  If I can swap out a Gill for another Gill, I'll be happy to do it myself - but it sounds like the weight difference might be a problem.

Does anyone know for sure whether moving from a 243 to a 7243 will require a new W&B? I'm dubious about the accuracy of weight specs from online retailers. 

 

 

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Gill has their data on line...

go direct to their site...

see if this helps...

http://www.gillbatteries.com/products.aspx?grp=acm&crit=Mooney Aircraft

you need to be a bit more specific to the part number. The two with the closest part numbers as listed are more than a pound different from each other.

having your WnB numbers updated by your mechanic isn't going to be all that much if you are doing all the work.

If you get 11 years out of a single battery, why change anything but the old battery for a new one?

Best regards,

-a-

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Gill has their data on line...
go direct to their site...
see if this helps...
http://www.gillbatteries.com/products.aspx?grp=acm&crit=Mooney Aircraft
you need to be a bit more specific to the part number. The two with the closest part numbers as listed are more than a pound different from each other.
having your WnB numbers updated by your mechanic isn't going to be all that much if you are doing all the work.
If you get 11 years out of a single battery, why change anything but the old battery for a new one?
Best regards,
-a-



Cool, thanks for the link. Honestly my concern was that the G-243 line has been discontinued, and the 7243 series is (aiui) the Gill recommended replacement.

Given the vast amount of support on this board for the Concorde batteries, my thinking was that I'd swap Gill-for-Gill if I could do it myself, but I would just ask the mechanic to put in a Concorde.


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