G1000 Engine Data logging in Ovation 2 ?

[Deb]

OK. More recent update. There is conflicting information from Garmin. According to Garmin, the software version  0401.34 should work with all WAAS Mooneys. It will support engine data logging. It should work regardless of whether you have a GTX 33 or the GTX 33ES.

I apologize for the mixed messages. I'm only the messenger (but I didn't like the first message.)

[Robert C.]

David,

Thanks for continuing to chase this for all of us. Much appreciated.

Hope that we'll get some solid advice from them during the Summit on the full upgrade time line.  Look forward to seeing you there

Robert

[Deb]

Thanks Robert. We look forward to it as well.

[N177MC]

Any up-dates on this subject ?

 

 

[N177MC]

Bump 

 

[carusoam]

Probably won't miss the announcement when it comes...

There will be trumpets blaring, partying in the taxiways, and huge sighs of relief!

-a-

[Bentonck]

Deb, I keep coming back to this thread.  I am in a non-WAAS (there are no WAAS approaches in Brazil) Acclaim that has the 0401.30 software.  So to do the data logging on my Mooney I would have to upgrade it to WAAS?  That's a bummer.

[Will.iam]

Neighbor has a gx non waas. So no way to get engine data logging?

[MatthiasArnold]

0401.34 and 0401.37 provide data logging and should both work with both, WAAS and non WAAS G1000. 
Disclaimer:
When upgrading to 0401.34 we also replaced GIA63 by GIA63W. 
So, I did not test it personally.

Matthias
 

[Schllc]

.34 supports data logging. 
to install .37 you must have waas

[Will.iam]

Neighbor will go out and check what version their g1000 is on. Garmin said the top sd card has to be bigger than the 128mb sd card they have now so maybe that is the issue. Garmin recommended 8gb sd cards as the sweet spot. Tech said the boxes can read up to 32gb cards but they have seen issues with data load failures on cards bigger than 8gb and that bigger size cards make the system run slower.  Has anybody tried the bigger cards and found this to be true? What size cards do you all use? Also with cards being so cheap now a days, wouldn’t it be easier to just cut another checklist data card and put in the other upper slot so that you only have to turn on the system once instead of now with just 3 cards having to power down swap the top card to the other screens top slot and having to power up and let the second screen update?

[MatthiasArnold]

I utilize high quality SANDISC 32GB SD cards. No problems so far. 
I use a separate SD card for NAVDATA updates only. If NAVDATA is placed on the same SD card as checklist/flight data, the MFD with .37 installed will ask you if you want to update NAVDATA on every boot process. This is kind of annoying..

[Will.iam]

On 11/17/2024 at 10:10 AM, Schllc said:

.34 supports data logging. 
to install .37 you must have waas

Ok help help. Neighbor has 0401.30 so no data logging but you said .34 does support data logging. The problem is the avionics tech can not find a service bulletin to authorize the update. Do you have a copy of the SB that you used to update or did the airplane come from mooney factory originally with that version already on the G1000 thus no SB was required?

tech says he wants to help but it would not be legal to update the software without a SB. That would really suck if they have all the capabilities to data log but can not because no one authorized it. 

[Graf_Aviator]

1 hour ago, Will.iam said:

Ok help help. Neighbor has 0401.30 so no data logging but you said .34 does support data logging. The problem is the avionics tech can not fibd a service bulletin to authorize the update. Do you have a copy of the SB that you used to update or did the airplane come from mooney factory with that version already on the G1000 thus no SB was required?

tech says he wants to help but it would not be legal to update the software without a SB. That would really suck if they have all the capabilities to data log but can not because no one authorized it. 

Well, at a certain time in the life cycle of the Ovation I guess our birds came with 0401.34 installed right from the factory. And those who were built before .34 eventually (most) got upgraded.

If your tech is not familiar with the software revision history I would dare to ask if he is familiar with this particular software at all. But that also might mean he is not from a MSC since they have access to all the firmware documentations as well. Ask him if he has the boot loader upgrade for the GMU44. It is not part of the .34 software package. And without that you will not have a functioning compass any more....  And in case something goes wrong with the upgrade, ask him if he has the Bootloader downgrade files for the GMU44 as well... Going up from .30 to .34 is a lot of fun... and going back down even more so...

Installation is actually quite easy and straightforward. However there are some precautions necessary, e.g. you need to write down (or just make photos) from a few config items before you start or you might be SOL when the new software is installed and you try to figure out which config item goes where. (Ask me how I know LOL).

I would suggest taking the Ovation to someone who is familiar with G1000 Mooney firmware updates. Two hours and it's done.

Just my $0.02

 

And just in case, here are some instructions from Mooney.com:

https://mooney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SBM20-305B.pdf

Best of luck and happy landings

 

Graf

 

Edited Monday at 06:23 PM by Graf_Aviator

[Schllc]

2 hours ago, Will.iam said:

Ok help help. Neighbor has 0401.30 so no data logging but you said .34 does support data logging. The problem is the avionics tech can not find a service bulletin to authorize the update. Do you have a copy of the SB that you used to update or did the airplane come from mooney factory originally with that version already on the G1000 thus no SB was required?

tech says he wants to help but it would not be legal to update the software without a SB. That would really suck if they have all the capabilities to data log but can not because no one authorized it. 

My understanding is that it comes directly from Garmin because a dealer has to request or sell.

[Will.iam]

1 hour ago, Schllc said:

My understanding is that it comes directly from Garmin because a dealer has to request or sell.

I just hope garmin does not force them to have to get a waas upgrade just to update the software. A couple of thousand for engine data logging ok but $35k just to get data logging is not worth it for them as they do not fly hard ifr and don’t see the benefit. 

[MatthiasArnold]

12 minutes ago, Will.iam said:

I just hope garmin does not force them to have to get a waas upgrade just to update the software

Since big G is unable to provide the components for WAAS upgrade (GIA63W only as used components, GIA64 only works for NXI), they most probably won’t force you 

Just follow the avenue outlined by @Graf_Aviator above with a competent MSC and you will be fine. 
Keep fingers crossed, document the G1000 configuration and don‘t brick the GPU. 

[Will.iam]

We called a msc and one said they needed to upgrade to waas and the other said they normally send their avionics to a garmin dealer as anything that goes wrong and garmin will not help them because they are not a garmin certified shop.  I do get the feeling if they wavied any wrong doing and potential to brick the boxes that MSC would  try to update the software but no guarantees. 
 

[Schllc]

6 minutes ago, Will.iam said:

We called a msc and one said they needed to upgrade to waas and the other said they normally send their avionics to a garmin dealer as anything that goes wrong and garmin will not help them because tgey are not a garmin certified shop. 

I would talk to Paul Maxwell or Brian Kendrick. Those are the only two people I would want to do this.  
I do not know if something with garmin changed, but when I upgraded my g1000 in my first Mooney WAAS was available but I did not have it, and I ordered  .37. 
The avionics shop fought this thing for days until they figured out I could not go to .37 without WAAS. Once they understood this and got .34 it was done in a few hours. 
at that time you could buy the gia63w’s from garmin, and I was not aware that they were discontinuing production. 
I also had the stec 55x and not the gfc so not sure if that was a factor or not. 
but I know I got data logging without WAAS with the .34 upgrade. 

[Will.iam]

2 hours ago, Schllc said:

I would talk to Paul Maxwell or Brian Kendrick. Those are the only two people I would want to do this.  
I do not know if something with garmin changed, but when I upgraded my g1000 in my first Mooney WAAS was available but I did not have it, and I ordered  .37. 
The avionics shop fought this thing for days until they figured out I could not go to .37 without WAAS. Once they understood this and got .34 it was done in a few hours. 
at that time you could buy the gia63w’s from garmin, and I was not aware that they were discontinuing production. 
I also had the stec 55x and not the gfc so not sure if that was a factor or not. 
but I know I got data logging without WAAS with the .34 upgrade. 

Kendrick does not see how you got there as he said the bootloader (and I’m getting out of my realm of knowledge here) on the gia? Has to be waas in order to boot 0401.34. 

[Schllc]

1 hour ago, Will.iam said:

Kendrick does not see how you got there as he said the bootloader (and I’m getting out of my realm of knowledge here) on the gia? Has to be waas in order to boot 0401.34. 

I don’t have an explanation for this and I suspect Brian is correct because he has likely forgotten more than I will ever know. 
This upgrade was pretty early in my journey.  I bought my ovation in the early hours of my ppl training so the vernacular was pretty foreign to me. 
I owned 456gx which was a2004/05 ovation with an stec AP and did not have waas. 
the first chance I got, I added a 345 transponder and was told I had to upgrade the software to install the transponder. 
I know I had data logging after this because I used savvy and got gami’s. 
I suppose it’s possible it had waas and no one knew, but I was told it did not have it, and the historical listings on aircraft.com says it’s non waas as well. 

[Will.iam]

40 minutes ago, Schllc said:

I don’t have an explanation for this and I suspect Brian is correct because he has likely forgotten more than I will ever know. 
This upgrade was pretty early in my journey.  I bought my ovation in the early hours of my ppl training so the vernacular was pretty foreign to me. 
I owned 456gx which was a2004/05 ovation with an stec AP and did not have waas. 
the first chance I got, I added a 345 transponder and was told I had to upgrade the software to install the transponder. 
I know I had data logging after this because I used savvy and got gami’s. 
I suppose it’s possible it had waas and no one knew, but I was told it did not have it, and the historical listings on aircraft.com says it’s non waas as well. 

See its so interesting as my neighbor has a gtx345 in the aircraft now and garmin tech said it was because their sd card was too small needed a 2gb or larger so either the tech did not realize what version they are on or maybe the .30 will record (i have my doubts personally) weather has been bad here and they just got the larger sd cards today. Maybe in a day or two can at least run the engine for a few mins on the ground and then look to see if there is a data file. That will answer that question. Just for clarification garmin saves the engine data in a file called engine.cvs?

[Schllc]

Pretty sure it’s just data.cvs

its not just engine data, it’s air temp, speed, heading, altitude etc

[LANCECASPER]

3 hours ago, Schllc said:

I don’t have an explanation for this and I suspect Brian is correct because he has likely forgotten more than I will ever know. 
This upgrade was pretty early in my journey.  I bought my ovation in the early hours of my ppl training so the vernacular was pretty foreign to me. 
I owned 456gx which was a2004/05 ovation with an stec AP and did not have waas. 
the first chance I got, I added a 345 transponder and was told I had to upgrade the software to install the transponder. 
I know I had data logging after this because I used savvy and got gami’s. 
I suppose it’s possible it had waas and no one knew, but I was told it did not have it, and the historical listings on aircraft.com says it’s non waas as well. 

This is the service bulletin that had to be done to make that happen on an S-Tec G1000 Mooney: https://mooney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SBM20-306B.pdf

[MatthiasArnold]

The data logger output are .CSV files, labeled/ named with timestamp and ICAO code of departure airport. Tons of data recorded with a sample rate of approximately 1Hz. 
You can upload it to Savvy, CloudAhoy, FlySto (very cool, take a look at it). 

Small trick when upload to CloudAhoy fails. 
Open a text editor (raw mode, not word) and delete the last line in the CSV file which typically is kind of „corrupted“ when the mains power is turned off while G1000 is still trying to write the file. 
Matthias