For Sale: Used Garmin GNS-430W - 28v - 6-month warranty!

[mbargman]

Hi folks!

We just took a really nice Garmin GNS-430W in trade late this week. It is a 28v and includes the WAAS antenna, mounting tray, connectors and a 6-month warranty. I've attached a few photos of the unit for you to view. Unit is for sale for $7495.00 shipped via UPS. If you are interested, please shoot me an e-mail at mbargman@jaair.com, or call 800-323-5966. Thanks!

Mike Bargman

Sales Representative

J.A. Air Center

800-323-5966

www.jaair.com

[TWinter]

_{I'll be giving you a call. A good fit for my project. First dibs, but I need to make a call to my AP. Finding a basket full of cash would be good also.}

_Tom

_{Dyerburg, TN}

[N601RX]

These are selling for $7750 brand new in box with full garmin warrenty.

[aerobat95]

Where? Best I could find is 8522.00 from A/C Spruce.

[aerobat95]

I paid 7200 for mine.....used from nexair avionics......8130 and yellow tagged.

[N601RX]

Chief. Steinair and San Lupos usually has good prices also. Did it come with a new pin kit for the connectors?

I believe their prices also include a complete harness .

[TWinter]

Looks like a good price and unit, but I'm putting the cart before the horse since I'm in the middle of another upgrade. I better pass this go round and let somebody else have a chance. I'm getting older and need to hold off for the bigger screen..LOL..Good Luck!

[aerobat95]

Mine came with rack, new antenna, install kit, install manual.......basically everything needed for install. I don't think 7500 it to far off the mark. Check ebay......going for about the same

[alex]

On March of 2011 I bought a brand new 430W for 7k on eBay,everything included minus the harness.They really should be going for far less, especially for a used unit. Every now and then you will find a bargain on eBay but you need to check often.

[N601RX]

Agree. Its absured to see one that is 5 years old sell for $250 less than a new one. For a month or so after the 750's came out I saw several sell for $5500-$6000. Then the crept back up to over $7000. Also with Garmins flat rate repair, if there is anything at all wrong or goes wrong with it you suddenly have more than a new one in it. Not enough reward for the risk on my opinion

[Piloto]

When you consider the options (GTN 650/750) $7K is not too bad. I got a G530AW for 8K and I am happy with it. The GTN-750 was twice the price and too big for the panel space available. It works very well and love how well it controls the auto pilot on LPV approaches. Mine has the 16W TX but it measured 20W on the bench. Now the corp jets and the airlines don't block me when I talk. I may consider the IFD-540 for later upgrade if I get that juicy stimulus check from Santa Obama this Xmas.

José

[jetdriven]

The GTN-650 is 2 grand more at $9,500 and install is the same on both the GNS-430W and the GTN-650, around $3,500. Plus you get a current production unit with warranty.

[Marauder]

The GTN-650 is 2 grand more at $9,500 and install is the same on both the GNS-430W and the GTN-650, around $3,500. Plus you get a current production unit with warranty.

Exactly why I went with the 650. My biggest concern is how long will the 430//530 be supported for. Garmin is a consumer electronics company and my biggest fear is that they would go down that path. They certainly did it with the portables.

[Piloto]

The GTN-650 is 2 grand more at $9,500 and install is the same on both the GNS-430W and the GTN-650, around $3,500. Plus you get a current production unit with warranty.

So why don't you get a new Piper Arrow with current production warranty. After all Mooney no longer support Mooney Airplanes. When you look at your plane a significant number of the components are out of production with no warranty.

José

[Piloto]

Umm, because a new Piper Arrow, which cruises at 137 KTAS and lists for 415K, is inferior to my '78 J, which cruises at 157 KTAS and was 65K in 2006. If I could have purchased a new 201 in 2006 for a 27% premium over my used price I would have.

Jim

Yeah but what good is it a plane that can not fly because there is no factory parts to replace your broken one.

The examples above shows a reality common in aviation. The fact is that there will be someone taking advantage of the situation and fabricating or fixing these obsolete components, like the KX-170. There is nothing mysterious about someone providing support to the G430/530 specially when there are more than 50,000 of them in the field. I got my 20 year old Trimble TNL 2000A recently fix by a non-Trimble shop.

José

[N601RX]

Back to my original point. You can still buy a new 430 for $7750. Used ones are selling for $7500.

[fantom]

Back to my original point. You can still buy a new 430 for $7750. Used ones are selling for $7500.

Which was a good point. There are many used equipment posts on this board for prices that are very close to either factory refurbished, or factory new....coming with warranty, the latest DB, and updated system software.

Cavaet Emptor, I guess

[Marauder]

I think a few things are keeping the price up;

No competition, so if don't buy a used 430 or a new 650, what do you buy? People are willing to spend $7k for a used box so they don't need to spend $9k+ on a new box. If another manufacturer made a new box that sold for $7k, what do you think would happen to the 430 prices?

Support at this point is not an issue. Garmin received a lot of pressure to keep the support of the 430/530 from fleet operators. Garmin stepped back from a "discontinued" approach to a limited availability and continued support until part available becomes an issue.

Supply & Demand 101: the used equipment that is coming up for sale are from mostly from upgrades. They pop up and sell for what the market will bear.

My only concern with buying a used Garmin product is the length of time they will support the platform. I have gone through a number of Garmin portables dating all the way back to the 55. Granted they are portables, but they weren't cheap. I kept migrating from one to the next because of features and because Garmin stopped providing database updates or support on them. The panel mounted stuff I hope will be supported much longer. Time will tell.

[carusoam]

Garmin also stops supporting old products differently...

The black and white portable 196 went on for at least a decade while the color 296 and 396 both got shelved after the 496 arrived.

And my 196 still works like day 1, just gets the backseat to my ipad1...

Best regards,

-a-

[thinwing]

hey mooneypilot..just curious why you exchanged out the old 430w(must have been upgraded 430)for the new one...were you having reliabilty issues??

[carusoam]

That sounds unusually good for anything, never mind 12 year old things.

-a-

[Marauder]

That sounds unusually good for anything, never mind 12 year old things.

-a-

I wonder if Garmin is doing this for some reason? I know in the portfolio of electronic products we sell over time, we will run trade-in programs to help drive getting really old difficult to support products out of the market. I'm curious if they made engineering changes to these products over time that perhaps have new style boards introduced and they are willing to pay that kind of money to get back a 12 year old product either for parts to support equally as old products or just to get them out of the market.

It's a lot of money for a trade-in.

[N601RX]

At 65% they are still making a profit.

[carusoam]

And locking in a customer for a cycle. Locking out a competitor as well.

Avidyne must be giving them the willies....

-a-

[Marauder]

The $5,000 trade-in credit did not come from Garmin; it came from the avionics shop. I heard that the shop resold my 12 year old unit for $5,800 the same day that it came out of my plane . I just don't understand the decision making process that would lead an individual to pay $5,800 for a 12 year old unit when the avionics shop would have sold them a factory new one for $7,595. The avionics shop also resold my 327 and 340 right after they were removed from the plane. I am just glad that there are some individuals in the market who are willing to buy used avionics at what I consider very high prices. Without them, I would have never gotten $5,000 trade-in credit for my old 430 and similarly high trade-in credits for my 327 and 340.

Ah, that explains it. I was wondering why Garmin would have cut such a deal. Well, I have an answer for you on why someone would buy at $5,800 instead of new... A $1,000 savings believe it or not will influence a lot of people's decision. Since you kept the rack, the buyer will also need to buy the rack and the GPS antennae. But even if they put another $500 into that, they saved (at least in their mind), $1,200. Strange, but if you are on a tight budget, people make these kinds of decisions.

I'm the kind of pilot that would rather save up for something new, but others don't view it that way. When I upgraded my AP I got a lot of requests for my old stuff, even though it was 23 years old at that time.