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[N201MKTurbo]

45 minutes ago, M20GforMe said:

Would this be legal if it’s not specified for that engine?

Interesting question. I wouldn’t have an issue with it. If it does need a shorter pushrod, I would use a shorter pushrod before I replaced your crankcase.

[Aaviationist]

Side note, I would get a new CFI. 
 

ALWAYS sump the tanks. Especially if it’s been outside. He didn’t, that’s how water got in the carb. 
 

also, as the owner / pilot, (yes it still counts as a student) YOU are the one that determines airworthiness. Your CFI cannot “ground the aircraft” and YOU ARE allowed to change the seal in the gas cap. 
 

I’d say he’s a WAY worse situation than the mechanic. 

[M20GforMe]

25 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

Side note, I would get a new CFI. 
 

ALWAYS sump the tanks. Especially if it’s been outside. He didn’t, that’s how water got in the carb. 
 

also, as the owner / pilot, (yes it still counts as a student) YOU are the one that determines airworthiness. Your CFI cannot “ground the aircraft” and YOU ARE allowed to change the seal in the gas cap. 
 

I’d say he’s a WAY worse situation than the mechanic. 

Ahead of you on this one, found a seasoned Mooney guy to start from scratch with me on the Mooney once I have the plane back from annual.
 

2 or 3 sessions in and I realized that the original CFI wasn’t as Mooney proficient as he said he was. 

[Aaviationist]

8 minutes ago, M20GforMe said:

Ahead of you on this one, found a seasoned Mooney guy to start from scratch with me on the Mooney once I have the plane back from annual.
 

2 or 3 sessions in and I realized that the original CFI wasn’t as Mooney proficient as he said he was. 

If he mis represented his background and abilities I’d ask for my money back on that one. 
 

 

[M20GforMe]

19 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

If he mis represented his background and abilities I’d ask for my money back on that one. 
 

 

It was on me, I didn't ask the right questions. He had 1600 hours. He was in fact "happy to teach me how to fly the mooney". He just had alot of beech, piper, and 172 time. I've been drinking from the firehose

[Scottknoll]

I agree, a new CFI was needed. Very glad you found one quickly.

The PIC is responsible to determine airworthiness (conforms to type certificate and is in safe condition for flight). It might be his “opinion” that the aircraft is unairworthy, but your old CFI definitely cannot “Ground” an aircraft. Anyone who can legally be PIC can determine the aircraft to be airworthy. Remove and replace faulty CFI, problem solved.

I’m guessing your old CFI and thinks an A&P must perform ALL maintenance.

43.3 (g) You must own or operate the aircraft to perform preventive maintenance (can’t do it to your buddies plane) 43.7(f) you must hold at least a private pilot certificate to return the aircraft to service following said preventative maintenance.

That said, fuel cap o-rings are about the simplest thing you can do and you crossed one problem of the list.

[1980Mooney]

8 hours ago, M20GforMe said:

I couldn't tell you, I bought the plane at the end of last year, and its only flown maybe 10 hours since I've had it. My CFI grounded it for a while in January because the nose gear door had some play to it (just needed new heim bearings), ....So then I "may or may not have" changed the seals on the gas caps myself (This isn't incriminating, is it?... I am a PPL student).

I was supposed to fly again with my CFI a week later, but when the day came, he said hes not comfortable flying the plane since I (a student) changed the fuel cap O-Rings myself ..

 

4 hours ago, Scottknoll said:

The PIC is responsible to determine airworthiness (conforms to type certificate and is in safe condition for flight). It might be his “opinion” that the aircraft is unairworthy, but your old CFI definitely cannot “Ground” an aircraft. Anyone who can legally be PIC can determine the aircraft to be airworthy. 

I think you missed that the OP is a Student Pilot.  When flying with the CFI, it is the CFI that is PIC.  Since the CFI has been PIC on every flight with the student OP, the CFI can definitely "Ground" the aircraft......

Edited Saturday at 04:01 AM by 1980Mooney

[1980Mooney]

9 hours ago, M20GforMe said:

Then when I got it back, I checked the fuel tanks and they had water in them.  They fixed the water in the carb problem, but not the root cause, which made me decide to not do my annual with them. So then I "may or may not have" changed the seals on the gas caps myself (This isn't incriminating, is it?... I am a PPL student).

I was supposed to fly again with my CFI a week later, but when the day came, he said hes not comfortable flying the plane since I (a student) changed the fuel cap O-Rings myself (even though he was there watching me and talking to me when I did it...).  The silver lining in all this is that I did tell the A&P to check the gas caps during the annual, he said I did a good job at that at least.... 

It's been a tough 8 months of plane ownership... 

Just curious - did you replace both o-rings on each cap?  The big outer one and the small one around the shaft?

I know you are new to ownership and things may appear simple. You removed the cotter pin and nut, then decompressed the spring in order to disassemble?  And you reassembled, didn't lose that half moon clip and adjusted with proper spring tension so that is stays closed but does not bind?

Great job if you did both.  It's a learning experience....

From SB (Service Bulletin) M20-229A, 

 

Edited Saturday at 04:51 AM by 1980Mooney

[1980Mooney]

@M20GforMe  Since you are taking an active role in the Annual and repair, do you have the Service Manual and the Parts Manual for your G and the Lycoming manuals for the O-360?

These, along with others, are in the "Downloads" Section here on Mooneyspace.

 

Edited Saturday at 04:34 AM by 1980Mooney

[M20GforMe]

41 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said:

Just curious - did you replace both o-rings on each cap?  The big outer one and the small one around the shaft?

I know you are new to ownership and things may appear simple. You removed the cotter pin and nut, then decompressed the spring in order to disassemble?  And you reassembled, didn't lose that half moon clip and adjusted with proper spring tension so that is stays closed but does not bind?

 

From SB (Service Bulletin) M20-229A, 

 

I did, I found a good write up on csobeech (I found the link here on MooneySpace) and purchased one of the fluorosilicone Shaw O-Ring kits from Gallagher

https://www.gallagheraviationllc.com/Gallagher-Aviation-Shaw-431531-Fluorosilicone-Fuel-Cap-Kit_p_161.html

The write up was here

https://www.csobeech.com/files/O-RingChange.pdf

[Aaviationist]

7 hours ago, 1980Mooney said:

 

I think you missed that the OP is a Student Pilot.  When flying with the CFI, it is the CFI that is PIC.  Since the CFI has been PIC on every flight with the student OP, the CFI can definitely "Ground" the aircraft......

I did not miss that. They can choose not to fly it as the PIC can determine airworthiness before each flight, but they cannot ground the aircraft and make that determination for others. 
 

what one person finds unairworthy (like a gear door with some play in it) another would not. (Like a gear door with some play in it). 

[1980Mooney]

1 hour ago, Aaviationist said:

I did not miss that. They can choose not to fly it as the PIC can determine airworthiness before each flight, but they cannot ground the aircraft and make that determination for others. 
 

what one person finds unairworthy (like a gear door with some play in it) another would not. (Like a gear door with some play in it). 

Odd.  My comment above was in response to a post and quotes by @Scottknoll yet you responded to it and defended  Scottknoll's comments as if they were your own comments/post.  

 

 

[Aaviationist]

1 hour ago, 1980Mooney said:

Odd.  My comment above was in response to a post and quotes by @Scottknoll yet you responded to it and defended  Scottknoll's comments as if they were your own comments/post.  

 

 

I must have been confused when the tag notification sent me to a post. 
 

Either way you were still incorrect. 
 

Edited Saturday at 03:47 PM by Aaviationist

[Slick Nick]

I remember your original issue with the CFI and the gear doors debacle. Glad you got rid of that guy and found someone more knowledgeable.