Should Tesla buy Mooney?

[A64Pilot]

What upsets me is that 9% of Twitter whatever that is cost 3 billion dollars.

What is this Twitter? How many Billions of dollars of equipment do they own? How many Billions of dollars of product do they produce?

This reminds me of the .dot com crash, When I learned that Real Estate .com was valued more than Delta Airlines and they didn’t own anything much, everything was leased, I told anyone at work that would listen that it’s time to dump the internet stocks.

So whats driving stock prices now? Tesla stock from one of the articles I posted value is 2 Millions dollars for each car manufactured, Now I’m a Tesla fan, I own one, but don’t you think that’s just a little inflated?

[carusoam]

5 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

What upsets me is that 9% of Twitter whatever that is cost 3 billion dollars.

What is this Twitter? How many Billions of dollars of equipment do they own? How many Billions of dollars of product do they produce?

This reminds me of the .dot com crash, When I learned that Real Estate .com was valued more than Delta Airlines and they didn’t own anything much, everything was leased, I told anyone at work that would listen that it’s time to dump the internet stocks.

So whats driving stock prices now? Tesla stock from one of the articles I posted value is 2 Millions dollars for each car manufactured, Now I’m a Tesla fan, I own one, but don’t you think that’s just a little inflated?

Just like Y2K… except this time, there is actually an internet behind these companies that actually works…. 

Twitter… is an interesting place… it gives anyone the ability to post an idea in front of a huge audience…

Then it gets inundated with hate mail… making it near impossible to derive value from it… including videos from Monty python… spam, spam, spam, spam….

 

The CEO of Twitter is also the CEO of another company… called Square lately…

It takes being super human to be a CEO…

Even more strength to be CEO of multiple companies…

Between Mr. Musk and Mr. Dorsey…. The 9% ownership stake is pocket money… the business Channels we’re discussing how much value was created after Musk made the announcement…

 

Mooney used to have a presence on Twitter… they could blast a picture or brief video of what was new that day…

 

Sometimes it is just fun to turn it all off….   
 

Anyone… let me know if you have found a way to get use out of Twitter…

Best regards,

-a-

[EricJ]

24 minutes ago, carusoam said:

… the business Channels we’re discussing how much value was created after Musk made the announcement…

Knowing the difference between price and value is how fortunes are made.   I don't think this added any value, personally.

[carusoam]

23 minutes ago, EricJ said:

Knowing the difference between price and value is how fortunes are made.   I don't think this added any value, personally.

Short term value… increase can’t really be measured… the stock price went up… $10 to about $50… a 25% increase in a day…

But, to call that added value… you would have to sell it to reap the gain… 

No sale, no gain, no value added…

Expect that there isn’t any value added by having Elon on board… the price will revert back to $40…

It takes very large sums of money to make a move like this… and it has to stay there…

The hard part… the dough comes back out over time… and the price drifts with it…

Lots of momentum in the market… increasing over the years…

Really good if new money always comes in… this requires the young bucks to be introduced to investing and not get lambasted…

Stuff like this is ripe for lambasting… 

If you haven’t watched AMC and GME over the years…

More gambling than investing…. Those gamblers have a name… they call themselves Apes for some reason…

CEOs are important… they have a big hand in Sales, and earnings per share…. The traditional measurements of value…

If I had a multi billion dollar technical business… I would enjoy having Elon run it… 

PP thoughts only, not a market maker… or an Ape…

Best regards,

-a-

[chriscalandro]

Why are people still discussing this?

[carusoam]

2 minutes ago, chriscalandro said:

Why are people still discussing this?

Because nothing has changed since the question got asked…

No answer…

It’s still live…

Mr. Musk has pocket Money, and he spent some of it today in a big fashion…

Mooney could use the kind of Money Mr.Musk has…

…and the days go by…

Best regards,

-a-

[A64Pilot]

8 hours ago, chriscalandro said:

Why are people still discussing this?

We're bored and so long as it stays polite conversation I think it’s fine, even if it has nothing to do with Aviating or Mooney, but that’s just my opinion.

Personally I’m glad to see Elon get into it, he’s on Twitters board now by the way, but he’s been restricted to 14% max stock. I’m glad to see him in it because even a blind man can see that these chat rooms or whatever they are are very slanted in their views, and I’d like to see Politically neutral.

So, what is Elon? Left or right? I think he’s as close to neutral as is possible, the right likes him because he’s made more money than anyone, but is a climate change activist so he leaves a bad taste in their mouths.

The left likes him because he’s an Eco Warrior, but they have a bad taste in their mouths because he’s so rich, but isn’t willing to give it all to the government.

Elon for President?

Edited April 5, 2022 by A64Pilot

[mike_elliott]

The left doesnt like him at all. He wont bend the knee. They are going nuts right now because they  realize a big tool of control they had is now out of their hands, just like when he told the bay area to twirl

The right erroneously think he is all about the green new deal, but he is not, rather he is for advancing the world towards sustainable energy, just not at the cost of society, He realizes this, like everything in the universe, takes time. As such, he suggest we immediately drill and fire up nuke plants to reverse the "problem" we now have on our hands, and that doesnt sit well with some on the left at all.

Politically, the best I can figure is he is a libertarian

[carusoam]

What’s with the drive to be a multi-planetary species?

Is it a cover story for building a military device that can fly to any address in the world and park gently in the front yard… within inches of the target…

Amazing flight technology… on a global scale…

As apposed to a missile that crashes through the house at supersonic speeds…

Does Elon ever sleep?

Best regards,

-a-

[A64Pilot]

4 hours ago, carusoam said:

What’s with the drive to be a multi-planetary species?

Is it a cover story for building a military device that can fly to any address in the world and park gently in the front yard… within inches of the target…

Amazing flight technology… on a global scale…

As apposed to a missile that crashes through the house at supersonic speeds…

Does Elon ever sleep?

Best regards,

-a-

Starship would be a poor delivery system, sure maybe it could work, but it definitely would be like using a sledgehammer to swat a fly.

It would be similar to using C-5’s to deliver M1 tanks, sure it’s possible but one C-5 flight and you get one tank, a very poor use of resources. You just couldn’t build or fuel or fly enough Starships to matter

Besides Starship would be the proverbial sitting duck, a large vehicle literally coming from space in a straight line at a constant velocity, having an IR signature second only to the Sun. I can’t honestly think of an easier target, I sure wouldn’t want to ride the thing into a war zone.

Probably 30 years ago weapons technology had evolved into just about anything that can be detected can be targeted, and killed, so the shift from survivability to non detectability began, and Starship unless he has a Klingon cloaking shield up his sleeve is very easily detectable.

To my knowledge, none of Elon’s developments have perused any military use, which is very uncommon, usually military uses are sought for the funding. 

Edited April 6, 2022 by A64Pilot

[Kmac]

On 4/5/2022 at 1:07 AM, chriscalandro said:

Why are people still discussing this?

It still has yours and others attention.  Others may be reading it for the first time and have interest in such an idea.

I, however, do not see the value in Mr. Musk purchasing a large stake in Twitter.  He is slightly more successful than I though.  Musk loses and gains more money every day than Mooney is worth.  This thread just hasn't gotten big enough yet for him to take notice.  Maybe someone with a few Twitter followers can hashtag him this Mooneyspace topic... or however that works...

[mike_elliott]

3 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

To my knowledge, none of Elon’s developments have perused any military use, which is very uncommon, usually military uses are sought for the funding

Actually, the military is talking to spacex about starlink, but to what extent I am clueless and wish to remain so. Elon's disdain for shutting down free speech was never more evident when he refused to censor russian speech on starlink, while providing comms for Ukraine, something our current government couldnt/wouldnt do. 

His goal for involvement with twitter is really quite clear and he has stated as much many times. Perhaps when twitter banned the Babylon Bee he decided to take action to prevent speech surpression

[aviatoreb]

I find all this "the left likes him because" "the left hates him because" "the right thinks.." is the problem that the "united" states has fallen into.  I remember when people used to just have opinions without specifically labels.  I still think there are more than two kinds of people in this country.

Edited April 6, 2022 by aviatoreb

[A64Pilot]

I’ll agree that possibly the “Military” whoever they may be is interested, honestly at this level it’s usually civilians that run things, but I don’t think he went to them.

Need to remember the Military investigates pretty much everything even things they are pretty sure are nuts, because well you never know. Just as there are plans for just about everything, I’m sure there are plans on defending the zombie apocalypse, because it exercises planning, remember if we aren’t at war, we are training, and writing plans is training

Not beating on the military procurement system, but a lot if not most manufacturers will attempt to find military uses for their equipment to get the funds of course, even things like electric bicycles, which you wouldn’t think of as military equipment, but a couple of manufacturers are trying to get the military to procure them, and they may be the return of the Military motorcycle, who knows?

However Starlink ground stations could be very useful to the military as well as silent electric vehicles, but so far as I know Musk hasn’t chased the Pentagon as many have. Just at a glance I’d bet many would have taken the Cybertruck to the Pentagon as a HUMVEE replacement or maybe a scout vehicle, but I don’t think Tesla has

Ref the left or right, everything it seems is politicized anymore, pretty much all the major US Companies weigh in now with their political views and statements. What happened to just cooking hamburgers or making tennis shoes?

Its refreshing to see a celebrity who has the spot light not pushing their political views for once

Edited April 6, 2022 by A64Pilot

[chriscalandro]

2 hours ago, Kmac said:

It still has yours and others attention. 
 

Not really. I’m more astonished that anyone could think this is a thing still. It takes a certain kind of fanboy.

 

 

2 hours ago, Kmac said:

Others may be reading it for the first time and have interest in such an idea.

While yes, others may be reading for the first time, I don’t think anyone of sane sound and mind thinks your idea is what anyone could consider good.

 

2 hours ago, Kmac said:

I, however, do not see the value in Mr. Musk purchasing a large stake in Twitter.  He is slightly more successful than I though.  Musk loses and gains more money every day than Mooney is worth. 
 

You think an investment in a top social media company has less value than investing in electrifying a known failed product and design?

 

2 hours ago, Kmac said:

This thread just hasn't gotten big enough yet for him to take notice.  Maybe someone with a few Twitter followers can hashtag him this Mooneyspace topic... or however that works...

I think significant business decisions probably require more thought than that of a suggestion of someone with a few twitter followers. 
 

the more you post here, the more I realize you’re probably more than a couple skittles away from a full bag. 

[Kmac]

20 minutes ago, chriscalandro said:

 

I think significant business decisions probably require more thought than that of a suggestion of someone with a few twitter followers. 
 

the more you post here, the more I realize you’re probably more than a couple skittles away from a full bag. 

LOL...Chris...As stated in the very first post on this topic I've created a business plan.  It is quite in depth and more than a "few pages" and quite a bit more than a "suggestion".  The problem is the audience.  I am attempting to get the business plan in front of Elon Musk.  Any real suggestions?

As for the second part about the skittles... You may be right, then we'd actually have something in common.

[Fly Boomer]

1 hour ago, A64Pilot said:

plans on defending the zombie apocalypse

For @A64Pilot here you go:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/05/16/dod.zombie.apocalypse.plan.pdf

[ZuluZulu]

1 hour ago, Kmac said:

The problem is the audience.  I am attempting to get the business plan in front of Elon Musk.  Any real suggestions?

Try: getting elected to state office.  Then just wait for him to beg for government money for his companies (ignore his tweets about how government is actually bad, that's just for show).  Best way to get his attention.  Good luck!

[mike_elliott]

5 minutes ago, ZuluZulu said:

Then just wait for him to beg for government money for his companies

I think it was CA trying to tax him for "their fair share" after he left, not the other way around.

[ZuluZulu]

2 minutes ago, mike_elliott said:

I think it was CA trying to tax him for "their fair share" after he left, not the other way around.

Lol.  Always the victim.

By 2015, they write, companies led by Musk had already gotten billions of dollars in subsidies, tax breaks, and other handouts. New York state even shelled out $750 million to build a factory for Musk's troubled SolarCity operation and then said the company would pay no property taxes for a decade, saving Musk another $260 million. "He seems to have a magic touch," says Harvey. "He's gotten so good at raising money from state governments, getting subsidies, tax abatements, and so on, that sometimes it seems as though the states are lining up to offer him money to come and do business."

https://reason.com/2021/03/05/5-ways-elon-musk-and-other-billionaires-get-welfare-for-the-rich/

[mike_elliott]

33 minutes ago, ZuluZulu said:

Lol.  Always the victim.

By 2015, they write, companies led by Musk had already gotten billions of dollars in subsidies, tax breaks, and other handouts. New York state even shelled out $750 million to build a factory for Musk's troubled SolarCity operation and then said the company would pay no property taxes for a decade, saving Musk another $260 million. "He seems to have a magic touch," says Harvey. "He's gotten so good at raising money from state governments, getting subsidies, tax abatements, and so on, that sometimes it seems as though the states are lining up to offer him money to come and do business."

https://reason.com/2021/03/05/5-ways-elon-musk-and-other-billionaires-get-welfare-for-the-rich/

Tax abatements are huge to attract companies and have hiring quota's attached or are recinded retroactively normally. I dont believe CA offered squat, but Musk believed in the resource of talent to get in the bay area. He now knows he can go anywhere and the talent seeks him out. Graduates of engineering school place SpaceX and Tesla as their top desirable places to be employed. 

Tesla did take a Fed loan in 2008, as did F, GM and Chrysler. Tesla paid theirs back early with interest. GM needs another and hasnt paid the debt service even, but I digress. Eric is right, there are 2 kinds of people, those that hate Elon Musk and his successes with Space, Energy, Transportation, communication and soon social media, and those that applaud his ingenuity, groupthink disruption, and free speech posture.

as Mark Levin would say, Im done.

[ZuluZulu]

1 hour ago, mike_elliott said:

Tax abatements are huge to attract companies and have hiring quota's attached or are recinded retroactively normally. I dont believe CA offered squat, but Musk believed in the resource of talent to get in the bay area. He now knows he can go anywhere and the talent seeks him out. Graduates of engineering school place SpaceX and Tesla as their top desirable places to be employed. 

Tesla did take a Fed loan in 2008, as did F, GM and Chrysler. Tesla paid theirs back early with interest. GM needs another and hasnt paid the debt service even, but I digress. Eric is right, there are 2 kinds of people, those that hate Elon Musk and his successes with Space, Energy, Transportation, communication and soon social media, and those that applaud his ingenuity, groupthink disruption, and free speech posture.

as Mark Levin would say, Im done.

Valid, specific, and backed-by-sources criticism of Elon Musk's behavior is always just "haters."  Does that include Reason Magazine, hardly a 'left' outfit and which has been very friendly to Mark Levin over the years, for what it's worth, for publishing the article?

Here's how much Musk believed in and treated the "resource of talent" in the Bay Area, by the way:

Tesla Inc. lost a case against a Black former elevator operator and must pay an unprecedented $137 million in damages for having turned a blind eye to racial taunts and offensive graffiti the man endured at the electric carmaker’s auto plant in Fremont, California.

You can tell how much Musk believed in and supported that talent by looking at how loyal his employees are, thanks to his great leadership:

Tesla Inc. has lost top executives at a faster clip than similar companies have, with turnover “dramatically higher” at the Silicon Valley car maker’s top echelons, an analysis by Bernstein has found.

...

“Our analysis indicates that Tesla’s annualized executive turnover level has been 27%, notably higher than the cohort average of 15%,” but not “outlandish,” Sacconaghi said, with Snap, with 24% turnover, and Lyft, with 23%, experiencing turnover nearly as high.

Tesla’s turnover of executives reporting directly to Chief Executive Elon Musk, however, has been, at 44%, “dramatically higher than the turnover of CEO’s direct reports at comparable companies,” which has averaged 9%, Sacconaghi said. 

“While one could argue that (Tesla’s) high turnover reflects its unique and demanding culture, we worry that such turnover not only causes instability ... but could also reflect more significant concerns among senior leaders about the company’s direction or workplace practices,” Sacconaghi said.

What a bunch of haters.

[A64Pilot]

Again, we are back to the Prius is horrible and will destroy the planet.

https://www.cnet.com/culture/dust-to-dust-is-dust-prius-uses-less-energy-than-hummer/

The man is a businessman, he will I’m sure make legal business decisions any other large companies will, things like selling credits for his cars from not burning gasoline to companies that do so that they can dodge CAFE and emissions standards.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/tesla-electric-vehicle-regulatory-credits-explained.html

Is that wrong? is it not what CAFE and emissions standards were implemented for? probably. But don’t hate the guy who sells them legally, demand the system be fixed.

Don’t try to turn Musk into a Messiah, I’m certain he isn’t, and I’m sure no one can amass as much money as he has without making more than a few enemies, and many jealous of his accomplishments.

But however he’s done it, he has in fact succeeded in many different types of enterprises where many have failed.

We used to have a saying in the Army, “Results Count” he has gotten results where many haven’t, you have to give him that.

 

One thing about the internet, you can use it to prove your point no matter what it is, I’m pretty sure you can use internet sources to “prove” Aliens built the pyramids or the Earth is flat

Edited April 7, 2022 by A64Pilot

[carusoam]

Zulu,

You may have quoted one guy, three or more times…!

Recognize Toni Sacconaghi for the type of work that he does for Bernstein…

He infamously stated something like… the best days of APPL have already gone by…. This was a decade ago…

Probably had a short position to match the statement….  Because he missed reality by 180° on that one….  
 

So…

There are generic haters…

Pro haters…

Pro haters on TV…

 

”Toni Sacconaghi, a senior sell-side equity research analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein ”

 

Sell side analysts are pro haters… trying to drum up support for selling….

Best regards,

-a-

[ZuluZulu]

2 hours ago, carusoam said:

Zulu,

You may have quoted one guy, three or more times…!

Recognize Toni Sacconaghi for the type of work that he does for Bernstein…

He infamously stated something like… the best days of APPL have already gone by…. This was a decade ago…

Probably had a short position to match the statement….  Because he missed reality by 180° on that one….  
 

So…

There are generic haters…

Pro haters…

Pro haters on TV…

 

”Toni Sacconaghi, a senior sell-side equity research analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein ”

 

Sell side analysts are pro haters… trying to drum up support for selling….

Best regards,

-a-

So executive turnover close to Elon was not nearly half at 44% because you don't like the source?  Those people didn't leave?  You can disagree with the conclusions they drew, but are you questioning the data itself?