cwaters Posted January 24, 2021 Report Posted January 24, 2021 Thanks to my CFI Lee Fox who helped get me here and realize the amazing fun of Mooney flying. Here is a video of our last flight together before getting my complex endorsement and going off on my own to explore the Mooney way. Its not perfect and I have a lot of learning still to do, so let me know what you think. 3 1
carusoam Posted January 25, 2021 Report Posted January 25, 2021 Great job, CW! Nice pirep for Lee Fox too! Lots o wind and gusts... Looks like the centerline was afraid of you... Best regards, -a-
cwaters Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, carusoam said: Great job, CW! Nice pirep for Lee Fox too! Lots o wind and gusts... Looks like the centerline was afraid of you... Best regards, -a- I can't say enough great things about Lee, He is great. From helping me understand things better and working with me until I felt comfortable to be alone to helping pick it up al the way down in FL he has been phenomenal. Yeah still a lot to work on for sure but I was trying to favor the upwind side with the crosswinds. For now I'm excited to get back up and continue dialing things in. Edited January 25, 2021 by cwaters 2
Stan Posted January 26, 2021 Report Posted January 26, 2021 Glad all worked out with Lee. He is a great asset to have. I was at HWY on Sunday and generally sometime during the week to. Maybe we will cross paths, take care. 1
Hank Posted January 26, 2021 Report Posted January 26, 2021 I'd say you're getting the hang of it! Thanks for posting video proof that Touch n Go's are neither accidents waiting to happen, nor routinely fatal . . . . <sorry, old MS argument there > Glad you were able to get some real crosswind practice! My first "real" crosswinds were loaded up heavy, on vacation with my wife stopping for the night at KRAP. 2
flyboy0681 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Posted January 26, 2021 Too bad porpoising can't be taught. That's just something we all learn through experience.
donkaye, MCFI Posted January 26, 2021 Report Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, flyboy0681 said: Too bad porpoising can't be taught. That's just something we all learn through experience. Teaching how TO porpoise should not be taught. Teaching how NOT to porpoise can be taught. Don't release the back pressure on the yoke after landing. In fact continue to add more back pressure and start applying brakes at about ½ the touchdown speed increasingly adding more brake pressure with full up elevator until you come to a stop. Up elevator assists by adding drag. If you landed fast and bounce, if there is enough runway left, add some power to cushion the next landing, or go around. 3 1
flyboy0681 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Posted January 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, donkaye said: Teaching how TO porpoise should not be taught. Teaching how NOT to porpoise can be taught. Don't release the back pressure on the yoke after landing. In fact continue to add more back pressure and start applying brakes at about ½ the touchdown speed increasingly adding more brake pressure with full up elevator until you come to a stop. Up elevator assists by adding drag. If you landed fast and bounce, if there is enough runway left, add some power to cushion the next landing, or go around. I stand corrected, teaching how to identify and quickly get out of the situation before it's too late. And by porpoising I mean an initial bounce and trying to plant it back on the ground, which results in more of it. 1
cwaters Posted January 26, 2021 Author Report Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Stan said: Glad all worked out with Lee. He is a great asset to have. I was at HWY on Sunday and generally sometime during the week to. Maybe we will cross paths, take care. You probably saw my bird out there on Sunday, hopefully we can cross paths soon. 59 minutes ago, donkaye said: Teaching how TO porpoise should not be taught. Teaching how NOT to porpoise can be taught. Don't release the back pressure on the yoke after landing. In fact continue to add more back pressure and start applying brakes at about ½ the touchdown speed increasingly adding more brake pressure with full up elevator until you come to a stop. Up elevator assists by adding drag. If you landed fast and bounce, if there is enough runway left, add some power to cushion the next landing, or go around. Thanks for the technique! How not to porpoise is important and I’m finding energy management on approach to also be key. If I nail my speeds then she just sits right down and all is good
Hank Posted January 26, 2021 Report Posted January 26, 2021 If I bounce more than a few inches, I add power to level off and land again. Been doing that since at least my first solo. Only porpoised once, three months after my Mooney signoff, coming back from Thanksgiving at night with ATC vectoring me to my home field to avoid a football game TFR. So glad.to.be hime, surprised by the TFR (they are still not included in briefings, you need to know when the games are, day and time!) that I quit flying in the flare, didn't know what was going on--gave it full throttle and prayed to miss the trees at the end. So there is more than one way to porpoise, but recovery is the same! I've heard many times that the third bounce hits the prop, and I bounced twice that night. On the other hand, coming over the numbers at 70mph, I don't touch the brakes until I slow to 50 mph. It helps keep everything smooth raising my feet to get toes on the brakes. 1
flyboy0681 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Posted January 26, 2021 29 minutes ago, cwaters said: You probably saw my bird out there on Sunday, hopefully we can cross paths soon. Thanks for the technique! How not to porpoise is important and I’m finding energy management on approach to also be key. If I nail my speeds then she just sits right down and all is good After flying her for 10 years now I can attest that proper power speed management is crucial, but occasionally there's that one time when things don't go as planned. 1
jaylw314 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Posted January 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Hank said: I'd say you're getting the hang of it! Thanks for posting video proof that Touch n Go's are neither accidents waiting to happen, nor routinely fatal . . . . <sorry, old MS argument there > Glad you were able to get some real crosswind practice! My first "real" crosswinds were loaded up heavy, on vacation with my wife stopping for the night at KRAP. That's funny, my first "real" crosswind landing was also loaded up heavy, on vacation with the wife landing at KCVO, but I still said "KRAP!"
carusoam Posted January 27, 2021 Report Posted January 27, 2021 Interesting detail provided here... when to apply brakes... Thanks to Hank and Don for the insights... I have removed some tread depth trying to prove these theories... I'll be looking in the POH for more detail.... Best regards, -a-
Oscar Avalle Posted January 27, 2021 Report Posted January 27, 2021 Really nice job! Congratulations... 1
Hank Posted January 27, 2021 Report Posted January 27, 2021 18 hours ago, carusoam said: Interesting detail provided here... when to apply brakes... Thanks to Hank and Don for the insights... I have removed some tread depth trying to prove these theories... I'll be looking in the POH for more detail.... Best regards, -a- I've never seen anything in my Book. It's just more comfortable to not reduce rudder pressure to scoot my feet up while still moving fast. And no, I'm not interested in learning to land with my toes already on the brakes . . . . 1
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