MATTS875 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Maybe someone can help out. So today I used my iPad to transfer the flight to the flight stream 510 and then to the gtn750. In flight Garmin pilot and the app on my phone said check your internet connection and would not display weather or the flight. It showed the map but not the airplane or anything else. No traffic . I checked the settings on the iPad and it said it was connected to the flight stream 510. Any ideas? Thanks Quote
kortopates Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 It sounds like on your iPad, for your map overlays, you had weather products selected but from internet sources. Assuming you have Ads-B In the air, you just need to select ADS-B weather sources. If I recall properly, on the ground those AdsB weather sources will default back to internet automatically. 1 Quote
MATTS875 Posted June 22, 2020 Author Report Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, kortopates said: It sounds like on your iPad, for your map overlays, you had weather products selected but from internet sources. Assuming you have Ads-B In the air, you just need to select ADS-B weather sources. If I recall properly, on the ground those AdsB weather sources will default back to internet automatically. Thank you. I will definitely check on the next flight. Yes. I have the gtx 345 transponder. Makes perfect sense now. I have weather on the iPad on the ground but not in flight. This was the first time though it stopped showing the airplane on the course line and no traffic. Thanks for the insight Quote
carusoam Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Allow me to ask some goofy questions... There are so many things you can connect with... but may not be what you think... Some devices use WiFi connections to the iPad... others use BT... Are you sure you were connected to the proper WiFi? By the message you received... it sounds like your app tried to access the WiFi...it wasn’t there so it assumed ‘There is no internet...’ It may have just been nothing on the other end of the WiFi connection... Turning things on in the proper order also may help... to ensure the connections are done properly... When you find what works... document it... and write a Preflight checklist for your electronic devices... including favorite music device...and flight recorder like CloudAhoy... PP thoughts only, not an iPad guru... but, if there is a way to goof up an iPad connection, I have probably done it... Best regards, -a- Quote
MATTS875 Posted June 22, 2020 Author Report Posted June 22, 2020 It gives me the options of internet comp, internet base, and FIS-B. And to the right of that it shows internet and weather is selected. Do I need to not select the Internet weather Quote
carusoam Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Internet weather sounds like the way to get it to work from your home office... Which is typical of your checking weather on your flight app before heading for the airport... There is probably a lighted button on the screen that indicates to you what the app is connected to... This is Typically easy to find in the app’s user manual... Sincei I’m not familiar with the Garmin suite... I can’t add much more value... Best regards, -a- Quote
MATTS875 Posted June 22, 2020 Author Report Posted June 22, 2020 1 minute ago, carusoam said: Internet weather sounds like the way to get it to work from your home office... Which is typical of your checking weather on your flight app before heading for the airport... There is probably a lighted button on the screen that indicates to you what the app is connected to... This is Typically easy to find in the app’s user manual... Sincei I’m not familiar with the Garmin suite... I can’t add much more value... Best regards, -a- Might need to select FIS-B 1 Quote
eman1200 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 I thought garmin was supposed to auto select but I don’t think it does a good job of it. Quote
carusoam Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Select that then climb to 1k’ to see if antenna icon shows that you have a signal... On the ground the ADSB may not be strong enough to be received... Paul brought up an interesting idea... whatever you select... may get changed automatically along the way... This Is typical Of WiFi strength measuring... and deciding what is best for you... (eman just supplied this detail above...) If that doesn’t work sensibly... we have a Garmin guru around here...and plenty of MSers using this set-up.... Best regards, -a- Quote
MATTS875 Posted June 22, 2020 Author Report Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, carusoam said: Select that then climb to 1k’ to see if antenna icon shows that you have a signal... On the ground the ADSB may not be strong enough to be received... Paul brought up an interesting idea... whatever you select... may get changed automatically along the way... This Is typical Of WiFi strength measuring... and deciding what is best for you... (eman just supplied this detail above...) If that doesn’t work sensibly... we have a Garmin guru around here...and plenty of MSers using this set-up.... Best regards, -a- Perfect. Thank you all 1 Quote
kortopates Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, MATTS875 said: Might need to select FIS-B Yes, select FIS-B After the flight, on the ground with an internet connection it will go back to displaying data from the internet but will also go back to FIS-B in when you connect to your panel. Edited June 22, 2020 by kortopates Quote
Marauder Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Might need to select FIS-B That’s exactly what needs to be done. That’s another thing ForeFlight has going for it. I did a flight review a few days ago and the CFI was able to seamlessly connect to my Lynx for traffic and weather. A couple minutes earlier on the ground he was looking at weather and traffic (from FlightAware) through WiFi. And of course, my Garmin Pilot won’t switch automatically and if even if it could, it won’t connect to the Lynx. I used to fly with a GDL-39 so I could get weather and traffic in the air. Now I just let the Lynx and Aspens do their thing and GP is the chart device. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro 1 Quote
ArtVandelay Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 I thought garmin was supposed to auto select but I don’t think it does a good job of it. It does, but he is connected to his iPhone as a hotspot, you can see the symbol indicating this on his screen capture. Either he has to manually select FISB or disconnect the hotspot.Tom Quote
Marauder Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Yes, select FIS-B After the flight, on the ground with an internet connection it will go back to displaying data from the internet but will also go back to FIS-B in when you connect to your panel. Paul - is this something new or a 345 thing? Both my iPhone and iPad will stay on the last source it was connected to. If I toss the GDL-39 in the plane and was using cellular on my phone and WiFi on the iPad, I need to select FIS-B. It never automatically switches. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Quote
PTK Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 @MATTS875, based on my experience with mine this is how it works: The device wifi needs to be setup with the 510 and paired via BT to the 345 the first time. Thereafter Garmin Pilot will connect automatically to wifi for database transfer. It will give you a message on the GTN. Once transfer is finished it will automatically drop the wifi and switch to the BT and 345 for ADS-B weather and traffic. 1 Quote
ArtVandelay Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Hi, Chris. Same here. I have to switch between weather data sources manually when using GP as well. I don’t have a 345 but have found this to be the case when using both my former GDL-39 and my current GDL-50. Jim Make sure you set this option:Tom 1 1 Quote
Ross Taylor Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 There seem to be a ton of ForeFlight classes and trainings...I attended a great one last year and learned some cool "tricks"...but not much for Pilot, that I've found. I've searched the Garmin site and Google, without much besides a Garmin webinar of features. Does anyone know of a good "advanced" Pilot training? I like FF and they seem to win in the training options, but I have used Pilot longer and I like the similarity between Pilot and my G avionics. Quote
kortopates Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Marauder said: Paul - is this something new or a 345 thing? Both my iPhone and iPad will stay on the last source it was connected to. If I toss the GDL-39 in the plane and was using cellular on my phone and WiFi on the iPad, I need to select FIS-B. It never automatically switches. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Chris, Tom showed the auto-connect settings above - which solves that. On the 8 hours ago, Marauder said: And of course, my Garmin Pilot won’t switch automatically and if even if it could, it won’t connect to the Lynx. Interesting, are you sure Lynx doesn't offer a automatic re-connect option when you bring up its Blue-tooth settings; like what all the Garmin Navigators support for the bluetooth via the Connext menu? With automatic bluetooth reconnect set, I rarely ever have to manually re-connect, it always automatically reconnects to all my clients equipment (unless there are are already 2 other connected devices (which is the limit without changing the compatibility mode setting). The very rare occasion it doesn't re-connect, I have to forget the old setting on my iPad and reconnect for the first time - then it good for a long time. But it requires setting the automatic re-connect setting on the Navigator (for FS-510, FS-210 or GTX-345). I don't recall the setting to re-connect natively to my 345 (like I assume you connect to your Lynx without going through the Navigator Connext menu) but it always reconnects to it as well (its my backup connection to give me access to the 345 ADHRS in case I lose my G500 ADHRS). Quote
eman1200 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, Ross Taylor said: There seem to be a ton of ForeFlight classes and trainings...I attended a great one last year and learned some cool "tricks"...but not much for Pilot, that I've found. I've searched the Garmin site and Google, without much besides a Garmin webinar of features. Does anyone know of a good "advanced" Pilot training? I like FF and they seem to win in the training options, but I have used Pilot longer and I like the similarity between Pilot and my G avionics. I've seen and attended quite a few GP seminars. you're right, they're mostly basic but you can still ask questions and they try to answer as much as they can. 1 Quote
kortopates Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Ross Taylor said: There seem to be a ton of ForeFlight classes and trainings...I attended a great one last year and learned some cool "tricks"...but not much for Pilot, that I've found. I've searched the Garmin site and Google, without much besides a Garmin webinar of features. Does anyone know of a good "advanced" Pilot training? I like FF and they seem to win in the training options, but I have used Pilot longer and I like the similarity between Pilot and my G avionics. 15 minutes ago, eman1200 said: I've seen and attended quite a few GP seminars. you're right, they're mostly basic but you can still ask questions and they try to answer as much as they can. Personally for me, I find the GP interface much simpler. As mentioned, it helpful that it follows their GTN navigator interfaces. It doesn't have by any stretch all the whistles FF has but its simpler interface makes it much easier to find the important stuff and not nearly as complicated as FF. IMO it has almost all the important stuff, but is missing good support for TEC routes which is important in my neighborhood. Anyway, ask questions here, we seem to have enough GP users to help you out. 1 Quote
Marauder Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 There seem to be a ton of ForeFlight classes and trainings...I attended a great one last year and learned some cool "tricks"...but not much for Pilot, that I've found. I've searched the Garmin site and Google, without much besides a Garmin webinar of features. Does anyone know of a good "advanced" Pilot training? I like FF and they seem to win in the training options, but I have used Pilot longer and I like the similarity between Pilot and my G avionics. I found most of Garmin Pilot knowledge comes from tribal knowledge. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro 1 1 Quote
Marauder Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, kortopates said: Interesting, are you sure Lynx doesn't offer a automatic re-connect option when you bring up its Blue-tooth settings; like what all the Garmin Navigators support for the bluetooth via the Connext menu? With automatic bluetooth reconnect set, I rarely ever have to manually re-connect, it always automatically reconnects to all my clients equipment (unless there are are already 2 other connected devices (which is the limit without changing the compatibility mode setting). The very rare occasion it doesn't re-connect, I have to forget the old setting on my iPad and reconnect for the first time - then it good for a long time. But it requires setting the automatic re-connect setting on the Navigator (for FS-510, FS-210 or GTX-345). I don't recall the setting to re-connect natively to my 345 (like I assume you connect to your Lynx without going through the Navigator Connext menu) but it always reconnects to it as well (its my backup connection to give me access to the 345 ADHRS in case I lose my G500 ADHRS). Paul, the Lynx uses a WiFi connection for FIS/TIS. ForeFlight supports it and GP doesn’t. Interestingly the TIS part of the Lynx (including the TAS capability) is ported to the GTN but weather is not. BTW - I did confirm my configuration is set correctly. I’ll look at my GDL connection again, but like Jim, I need to manually go from cellular or WiFi to the GDL. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Edited June 22, 2020 by Marauder Quote
Marauder Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Paul, the Lynx uses a WiFi connection for FIS/TIS. ForeFlight supports it and GP doesn’t. Interestingly the TIS part of the Lynx (including the TAS capability) is ported to the GTN but weather is not. BTW - I did confirm my configuration is set correctly. I’ll look at my GDL connection again, but like Jim, I need to manually go from cellular or WiFi to the GDL.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Quote
ArtVandelay Posted June 22, 2020 Report Posted June 22, 2020 Thanks, Tom. I was really hopeful when I saw your post, but unfortunately I just checked my settings in GP and apparently I, too, am already configured correctly. Bummer. Jim And you were not connected to iPhone as a hotspot, or any other wifi connection? Quote
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